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Old 12th Sep 2017, 16:44   #21 (permalink)
 
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I know one pilot who just hit his 30 year mark. Not a single word of acknowledgement....not even from the fleet office. Disgraceful is the only word.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 17:47   #22 (permalink)
 
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Adding insult to injury Traf, in last Friday's Flyer she acknowledged the retirement of two gentlemen. For the most long serving (at 28 years) she could not get his military service nor the types flown as a Commander with CX correct!
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 18:08   #23 (permalink)
 
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The Fleet Offices and their mangers are just as bad!!
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 18:30   #24 (permalink)
 
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The Fleet Offices and their mangers are just as bad!!
To be fair BB, I think the fleet offices are doing the same amount of work with fewer people. That said, it's still a disgrace.
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Old 12th Sep 2017, 18:41   #25 (permalink)
 
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The first guy that walked through would be the CX version.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 00:59   #26 (permalink)
 
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Although we have bigger issues to battle at the moment, the point being raised here speaks volumes as to the reason this company, and particularly Flt Ops and employee relations are so dysfunctional. If managers spend every waking hour complaining about their staff, not appreciating their efforts and skills, and in particular focusing all their attention on 'getting back' at said staff, you end up with the unholy mess that is CX. Well done Swires. :/
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 04:19   #27 (permalink)
 
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Traf is right. And further to that point, why would anyone wish to tie the future of their careers, and the future of their families to a company that has demonstrated for over TWENTY years that they have no regard for their staff, their hopes and desires or their overall well-being ? The only sane option is to seek out a better employer and a better place to live. Those that live with false hope that CX will ever get better will be sadly disillusioned.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 07:33   #28 (permalink)
 
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There is a lot of ill feeling and stress on the Flight deck these days due to what is happening.

I hope when the next inflammatory stressful email comes out, all 2800 pilots will do the professional and responsible thing....(whether you read it or not)

Edited for BCs purpose..

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Old 13th Sep 2017, 08:33   #29 (permalink)
 
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I agree. The next email or Friday Flyer will do it. Otherwise you can guarantee you will not have a career worth saving. Ask some of the older pilots how effective this strategy was back in 98/99. It is the only thing these self-serving managers will understand.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 11:16   #30 (permalink)
 
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I for one won't be booking off sick. Why? you ask....

Because I don't read the Friday Liar, and didn't read that recent email from The Emu. So, my stress levels are way down.

Stop reading that crap. If it's not in the ops manual, or FCOM, or an NTC, it's not worth the stress. Try it. Seriously, try it. It's one of the best decisions I've ever made.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 11:31   #31 (permalink)
 
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So when the nazis were threatening the U.K, and Churchill was warning of the danger, you would have ignored his advice (or not even taken the time to read it). Ok, there's always going to be one idiot putting his head in the sand. I'm sure AT appreciates you declaring you won't go sick.

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Old 13th Sep 2017, 11:54   #32 (permalink)
 
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Broadband circuit - I was trying to make a subtle point...
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 12:36   #33 (permalink)
 
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 13:36   #34 (permalink)
 
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I watched I.T the other night. Not as good as the original. Wife asked me would I sh1t myself if I suddenly saw a Clown in the street.

Guess what I told her...

(Punchlines on a Post card please)
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 14:05   #35 (permalink)
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Dear Anna,

it is obvious to us, that your own survival here depends very much on a concession made by us. Your pilots.

But guess what, Anna. It ain't happening. Not even a tiny little concession. You know why?

Even though your glossy charts suggest otherwise (only because you forgot to consider inflation), the average pilot today costs you only a fraction of what it did 15 years ago, due to lack of proper housing/payrise/profit sharing etc etc., and all that while we are based in the most expensive city on this planet.

At the same time however, you managed to increase the average productivity per pilot significantly.

People work more for less.

You get the picture, Anna, don't you?! No concessions from us. Because they were made already over the years.

You dig your filthy hands a tiny bit deeper into our pokets, and we will close this freak show of an airline down for you.

You will see, Anna.
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Old 13th Sep 2017, 16:01   #36 (permalink)
 
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 05:12   #37 (permalink)
 
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I can think of a guy that would be really good at doing that job... in fact he did...
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 08:19   #38 (permalink)
 
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I can think of a guy that would be really good at doing that job... in fact he did...
But he cost CX too much.
C scale doesn't exist only for flight crew.

Imagine how they would have implemented all those cuts and sackings without the fuel hedging loss.

It makes you wonder...
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 10:27   #39 (permalink)
 
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Doesn't make me wonder at all Frank!
The fact that in depth details have been kept deliberately vague would cause most enquiring minds to quickly make up their mind about the issue.

And as for the recently departed individual, who was mentioned by MillWorker to be ideal for the job, in many respects yes, there are many who would agree. However, the position is a somewhat adversarial role, and the gentleman in question has people skills, morals and loyalty in spades, that alone would make him over qualified for such a position. An absolute gentleman.
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Old 14th Sep 2017, 11:11   #40 (permalink)
 
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Why doesn't anyone talk about the value of a good aviator anymore?
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