RA and S/O did nothing?
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Is that somewhere near correct?
most of this is being exasperated by MPL schemes
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RA and S/O did nothing?
I'm lucky enough to be in a situation to be able to finance myself and get out of the job that I've (unfortunately grown to loathe) worked in for a number of years.
Life is too short to plod along doing something you're not passionate about. That's how I think about it anyway.
It would also be nice to one day get paid to fly as opposed to paying to fly
Life is too short to plod along doing something you're not passionate about. That's how I think about it anyway.
It would also be nice to one day get paid to fly as opposed to paying to fly
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I'll do that right away. bigbeerbelly, can you confirm the veracity of your statement regarding this rumour?
Regards to Veronica by the way.
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STP- might want to check with your source again whether this happened or not
Regards to Veronica by the way.
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A p p a r e n t l y ..................................... 777 on the way to NAM diverted to Tokyo after S/O booted full rudder in the cruise. That's what I heard anyway, from more than one source. Whether it's credible or not.............
Used to train .... you can really get caught out with very low time people flying aircraft as you protect the operation against them making "pilot" mistakes - problem is they're not pilots yet and they can catch you out with left field stuff that no "pilot" in their right mind would do !
"You don't know what you don't know" and "you don't know enough to be scared", come to mind.
You could get into the definition of pilot if you wish - for a big jet, I'd offer as a start, that it's probably over 5 hours (handling) in the flare - not 5,000 in the bunk
"You don't know what you don't know" and "you don't know enough to be scared", come to mind.
You could get into the definition of pilot if you wish - for a big jet, I'd offer as a start, that it's probably over 5 hours (handling) in the flare - not 5,000 in the bunk
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"you can really get caught out with very low time people flying aircraft as you protect the operation against them making "pilot" mistakes - problem is they're not pilots yet and they can catch you out with left field stuff that no "pilot" in their right mind would do !"
Why do you let them fly? Don't you get a choice of who does the sector?
Why do you let them fly? Don't you get a choice of who does the sector?
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....worth pointing out that it was the FO incorrectly applying full rudder that led to the failure of the vertical stabilizer on his American Airlines airbus just out of JFK, with the loss of all on board. You eventually reap what you sow.
I sense you were rather good at your job, CFS?
The rudder mention just brought out an old memory of having a bank angle of about 80-90 deg, or so it seemed, at just under 100 feet - a second or two before landing.
New lad with around 200 hours had mentally calculated there was a cross wind (well 7 kts of wind with maybe 3 kts cross) - so as many of us do at the point in our careers, he hung his hat on rote learning. He and the other boys and girls had been talking about how you do a crosswind landing ... (blind leading the partially sighted - with one 200 hour telling another 200 hour what to do) so when we were going into the flare he went into CROSSWIND mode- he gave it a FULL boot of rudder - I don't know how the wing tip missed the runway (I remember catching a glimpse of the runway out of his side window below us n.b. we're at 100 feet) - I don't remember taking control and initiating the go-around - there was no thought process. It happened in an instant - I was shocked - just didn't see it coming !
...... who boots FULL rudder on a wide body jet ?? Being a bit busy at the time I can't tell you what he did with the ailerons (I like side sticks but this is where they bite)
Wide bodies should not be a new pilot kindergarten. Nothing personal - I had 200 hours once too.
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