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RA and S/O did nothing?

Old 12th Nov 2014, 00:42
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As a lowly rated 90 hour pilot studying for ATPL exams
What's the rush?
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Old 12th Nov 2014, 10:31
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Is that somewhere near correct?
Well, apart from the fact it didn't actually happen, theoretically I suppose you're spot on.

most of this is being exasperated by MPL schemes
I find it exasperating that people don't know the difference between "exasperate" and "exacerbate" but I suppose that's exacerbated by the low standard to which English is being taught in our educational establishments.

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Old 12th Nov 2014, 10:52
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RA and S/O did nothing?

I'm lucky enough to be in a situation to be able to finance myself and get out of the job that I've (unfortunately grown to loathe) worked in for a number of years.

Life is too short to plod along doing something you're not passionate about. That's how I think about it anyway.

It would also be nice to one day get paid to fly as opposed to paying to fly
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Old 12th Nov 2014, 11:33
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STP- might want to check with your source again whether this happened or not.
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Old 12th Nov 2014, 13:44
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STP- might want to check with your source again whether this happened or not
I'll do that right away. bigbeerbelly, can you confirm the veracity of your statement regarding this rumour?

Regards to Veronica by the way.

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Old 14th Nov 2014, 12:04
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Why has this event and the rudder event been hush-hushed?
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 12:13
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What rudder event...?
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 12:18
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A p p a r e n t l y ..................................... 777 on the way to NAM diverted to Tokyo after S/O booted full rudder in the cruise. That's what I heard anyway, from more than one source. Whether it's credible or not.............
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 12:54
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Used to train .... you can really get caught out with very low time people flying aircraft as you protect the operation against them making "pilot" mistakes - problem is they're not pilots yet and they can catch you out with left field stuff that no "pilot" in their right mind would do !

"You don't know what you don't know" and "you don't know enough to be scared", come to mind.

You could get into the definition of pilot if you wish - for a big jet, I'd offer as a start, that it's probably over 5 hours (handling) in the flare - not 5,000 in the bunk
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 14:50
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....it's only a matter of time. All the 're-branding' in the world won't save the airline from itself then....
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 15:03
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"you can really get caught out with very low time people flying aircraft as you protect the operation against them making "pilot" mistakes - problem is they're not pilots yet and they can catch you out with left field stuff that no "pilot" in their right mind would do !"

Why do you let them fly? Don't you get a choice of who does the sector?
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 15:12
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Why do you let them fly? Don't you get a choice of who does the sector?
RTFQ or in your case RTFP -
Used to train ....
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 15:28
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OIC, you're a, or were, a Training Captain. Sorry, i didn't quite get that from your original post. I sense you were rather good at your job, CFS?
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 18:51
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....worth pointing out that it was the FO incorrectly applying full rudder that led to the failure of the vertical stabilizer on his American Airlines airbus just out of JFK, with the loss of all on board. You eventually reap what you sow.
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 19:33
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I sense you were rather good at your job, CFS?
Nah, Joe average and, unfortunately, not ex Mil. Just been around a long time and have a few old man stories.

The rudder mention just brought out an old memory of having a bank angle of about 80-90 deg, or so it seemed, at just under 100 feet - a second or two before landing.

New lad with around 200 hours had mentally calculated there was a cross wind (well 7 kts of wind with maybe 3 kts cross) - so as many of us do at the point in our careers, he hung his hat on rote learning. He and the other boys and girls had been talking about how you do a crosswind landing ... (blind leading the partially sighted - with one 200 hour telling another 200 hour what to do) so when we were going into the flare he went into CROSSWIND mode- he gave it a FULL boot of rudder - I don't know how the wing tip missed the runway (I remember catching a glimpse of the runway out of his side window below us n.b. we're at 100 feet) - I don't remember taking control and initiating the go-around - there was no thought process. It happened in an instant - I was shocked - just didn't see it coming !

...... who boots FULL rudder on a wide body jet ?? Being a bit busy at the time I can't tell you what he did with the ailerons (I like side sticks but this is where they bite)

Wide bodies should not be a new pilot kindergarten. Nothing personal - I had 200 hours once too.

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Old 14th Nov 2014, 23:19
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RA and S/O did nothing?

Full rudder in flare works well in MS Flightsim!
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Old 14th Nov 2014, 23:43
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I would not have the medical capacity to deal with that .
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Old 16th Nov 2014, 08:22
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GBS...
Your last post just scared the crap out of me! Well done for extricating yourself out of that one!
I'm going to go take a little sit down....
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