Air Hong Kong, the A300-600 cargo outfit
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There are bases avail in SIN/PEN/HKG (HKG after employed for 6 months I think).
Salaries take home before tax on average recently FO US$7000-US$8000. Capt US$10000-US$11000.
Fairly Basic Medical, Pension fund US$5000 per year, Basic Income Protection.
Gratuity Payment US$20k (Capt) after 4 years and possibly year 5 and year 6 also.
ID90 travel on CX / KA but so low priority its not worth anything.
Rostering is getting better with 8 days on 6 days off becoming the norm at last with 45-55 hours flying per month.
Overall the package is improving slowly it is getting there but not industry standard for HKG by any means.......
Salaries take home before tax on average recently FO US$7000-US$8000. Capt US$10000-US$11000.
Fairly Basic Medical, Pension fund US$5000 per year, Basic Income Protection.
Gratuity Payment US$20k (Capt) after 4 years and possibly year 5 and year 6 also.
ID90 travel on CX / KA but so low priority its not worth anything.
Rostering is getting better with 8 days on 6 days off becoming the norm at last with 45-55 hours flying per month.
Overall the package is improving slowly it is getting there but not industry standard for HKG by any means.......
dekka007,
Not sure where you got those figures but I got a call for an interview later this month and the paperwork that came with the email shows a basic salary of US$46k/year + a Core Flying Payment of around US$1440/month, for 45 hours of flying as an FO.
Either way, I'm earning about US$30k more as a CRJ Captain in the US. There's no way I'd consider this unless unless a realistic housing payment was included and a lot more basic $$.
It's a bit of a joke really and anyone prepared to work for such a ridiculous salary should take a long hard look in the mirror!
Not sure where you got those figures but I got a call for an interview later this month and the paperwork that came with the email shows a basic salary of US$46k/year + a Core Flying Payment of around US$1440/month, for 45 hours of flying as an FO.
Either way, I'm earning about US$30k more as a CRJ Captain in the US. There's no way I'd consider this unless unless a realistic housing payment was included and a lot more basic $$.
It's a bit of a joke really and anyone prepared to work for such a ridiculous salary should take a long hard look in the mirror!
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The figures I quoted are correct as of the current terms and conditions at AHK June 2008. Trust me 
Ontop of the above figures you were quoted is REI of $91 per day.
Looking at the monthly average for a roster over the last 6 months it has been around 55 hours per month. Bearing in mind that anything above 45 hours the rate increases by double if I recall per hour.
I agree housing should be added to the AHK package ASAP and the salary is crap compared to KA/CX in HKG. The days off are the major draw with this outfit and allow a commuting roster anywhere in Asia/Oz easily.
If you are getting US$14k per month as a CRJ Captain in the US then stick with that obviously....
The tax is 10%-11% for the SIN base btw.
Ontop of the above figures you were quoted is REI of $91 per day.
Looking at the monthly average for a roster over the last 6 months it has been around 55 hours per month. Bearing in mind that anything above 45 hours the rate increases by double if I recall per hour.
I agree housing should be added to the AHK package ASAP and the salary is crap compared to KA/CX in HKG. The days off are the major draw with this outfit and allow a commuting roster anywhere in Asia/Oz easily.
If you are getting US$14k per month as a CRJ Captain in the US then stick with that obviously....
The tax is 10%-11% for the SIN base btw.
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Apart from the housing, this seems like a great opportunity.
Airlines are restructuring pretty much everywhere and hiring will be slow for a while.
$7000 to start as an FO is not a bad salary,
They do have ID90, but I do am not sure about priority. They say it should be no problem commuting with CX/KA.
No base in HK for now.
Airlines are restructuring pretty much everywhere and hiring will be slow for a while.
$7000 to start as an FO is not a bad salary,
They do have ID90, but I do am not sure about priority. They say it should be no problem commuting with CX/KA.
No base in HK for now.
"Sorry that was an interview now you work for us"
Don't believe all the spin, Cx will tell you anything they can to suck you in.
good one!! I hope you like 10+ hrs in Y class. We have a lot of trouble getting J class most of the time.
Don't believe all the spin, Cx will tell you anything they can to suck you in.
They say it should be no problem commuting with CX/KA.
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Thank you ACMS. I do agree with you not to beleive it all.
For some of us with ****ty jobs in the US, this sounds pretty good.
Though , it is a bit worrying at times reading all these posts.
For some of us with ****ty jobs in the US, this sounds pretty good.
Though , it is a bit worrying at times reading all these posts.
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Kennydekka007,
Not sure where you got those figures but I got a call for an interview later this month and the paperwork that came with the email shows a basic salary of US$46k/year + a Core Flying Payment of around US$1440/month, for 45 hours of flying as an FO.
Either way, I'm earning about US$30k more as a CRJ Captain in the US. There's no way I'd consider this unless unless a realistic housing payment was included and a lot more basic $$.
It's a bit of a joke really and anyone prepared to work for such a ridiculous salary should take a long hard look in the mirror!
That's funny! What did you start out at when you began flying the RJ? A bit hypocritical, are we?
Not sure where you got those figures but I got a call for an interview later this month and the paperwork that came with the email shows a basic salary of US$46k/year + a Core Flying Payment of around US$1440/month, for 45 hours of flying as an FO.
Either way, I'm earning about US$30k more as a CRJ Captain in the US. There's no way I'd consider this unless unless a realistic housing payment was included and a lot more basic $$.
It's a bit of a joke really and anyone prepared to work for such a ridiculous salary should take a long hard look in the mirror!
That's funny! What did you start out at when you began flying the RJ? A bit hypocritical, are we?
Well since you ask ACT, I started out at what was at the time, the best starting pay at any regional in the US at around 35K all in for my first year. That was 5 years ago.
So considering AHK are offering $46/year for an A300 job, my comment still stands.
You're probably ex-Mesa after a comment like that...........
So considering AHK are offering $46/year for an A300 job, my comment still stands.
You're probably ex-Mesa after a comment like that...........
Actually, I meant 33K at ZW. Amazing how a good contract and work rules make a difference.
But that's not the point; this a job that's not a first airline job and requires a certain level of experience. Namely a few thousand hours of turbine experience and as such you should be properly compensated.
But that's not the point; this a job that's not a first airline job and requires a certain level of experience. Namely a few thousand hours of turbine experience and as such you should be properly compensated.
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So your saying that you get 33K more per year than a AHK Captain flying a CRJ Kenny.
So a AHK Captain gets say US$130K per year give or take 1K. You are getting US$163k per year which works out at US$14K per month right before tax..so your earning US$3K more before tax.
I am pretty sure that by the time you pay your income tax and likewise at AHK the salaries will be similar. Bearing in mind this is a year 1 salary when you join AHK not after 2 or 3 years.
Secondly are you getting 12-13 days off a month minimum? Its more of a life style job at AHK - I have done the CRJ type flying in europe for a long long time and no way would i go back to 4 sector days 5 days a week...keep the extra 3k
You must have the best CRJ job in the world even europe a CRJ Skipper is about just over half your salary mate.
I am not saying AHK is a great job but it serves its purpose of easy flying, blocks of days off a month to allow to commute anywhere in asia, oz.. and the money for most is pretty decent for most compared to where they come from.
You make your choices I guess but AHK does have its advantages for lifestyle over Huge salary. I would love another 2k-3k on the AHK Salary per month as would anyone and MANY MANY things need improved in AHK which are starting to happen slowly (Thank God) however it's also nice having DHL and CX backing for job security at these times right now.
Please also note have a look at Korean Airlines Captain Salary, ANA, SIA Cargo on widebody jets works out about not that much more than your salary a month I believe.
So a AHK Captain gets say US$130K per year give or take 1K. You are getting US$163k per year which works out at US$14K per month right before tax..so your earning US$3K more before tax.
I am pretty sure that by the time you pay your income tax and likewise at AHK the salaries will be similar. Bearing in mind this is a year 1 salary when you join AHK not after 2 or 3 years.
Secondly are you getting 12-13 days off a month minimum? Its more of a life style job at AHK - I have done the CRJ type flying in europe for a long long time and no way would i go back to 4 sector days 5 days a week...keep the extra 3k
You must have the best CRJ job in the world even europe a CRJ Skipper is about just over half your salary mate.
I am not saying AHK is a great job but it serves its purpose of easy flying, blocks of days off a month to allow to commute anywhere in asia, oz.. and the money for most is pretty decent for most compared to where they come from.
You make your choices I guess but AHK does have its advantages for lifestyle over Huge salary. I would love another 2k-3k on the AHK Salary per month as would anyone and MANY MANY things need improved in AHK which are starting to happen slowly (Thank God) however it's also nice having DHL and CX backing for job security at these times right now.
Please also note have a look at Korean Airlines Captain Salary, ANA, SIA Cargo on widebody jets works out about not that much more than your salary a month I believe.
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No Dekka, that's NOT what I said. If you read my post, you'll see I only quoted the figures for AHK FO's and compared it to what I was earning at the moment.
My quality of life is actually the best it's been since I started flying; 15-16 days off and I live 7 minutes from work.
Next time you want get all sanctimonious and sarcarstic, you might want to read the post you're replying to. You won't look as much of a d!ckhead........
Look, it's really simple; Every time one of us extremely smart pilots accepts a job that has lower T+C's than it should, in comparison to others or even historically, we screw ourselves in the future. Why offer decent money for that 777 job when the guys you'e looking at came from an A300 and earnt at lot less. It's happened here in the US and it's likely to infect the rest of the world, unfortunately.
This isn't even about getting rich. Anyone who thinks you can still do that in this industry is living in La-La land. This about being treated like the professionals, we used to consider ourselves. Somewhere over the last 10 years, we forgot that!
My quality of life is actually the best it's been since I started flying; 15-16 days off and I live 7 minutes from work.
Next time you want get all sanctimonious and sarcarstic, you might want to read the post you're replying to. You won't look as much of a d!ckhead........
Look, it's really simple; Every time one of us extremely smart pilots accepts a job that has lower T+C's than it should, in comparison to others or even historically, we screw ourselves in the future. Why offer decent money for that 777 job when the guys you'e looking at came from an A300 and earnt at lot less. It's happened here in the US and it's likely to infect the rest of the world, unfortunately.
This isn't even about getting rich. Anyone who thinks you can still do that in this industry is living in La-La land. This about being treated like the professionals, we used to consider ourselves. Somewhere over the last 10 years, we forgot that!
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You don't seem to underststand tho FO Salary is not just 46k/year it works out at around 85k/year but then again whats the point of even discussing anything with people like you - I give up...
as long as your happy mate thats the main thing.
I tell you what tho I am glad you are not coming to AHK. as I am sure the other good guys who work at AHK would agree.
You come across as being a complete nasty tw*t.
Stay where you currently work and do the rest of the world a favour....
as long as your happy mate thats the main thing.
I tell you what tho I am glad you are not coming to AHK. as I am sure the other good guys who work at AHK would agree.
You come across as being a complete nasty tw*t.
Stay where you currently work and do the rest of the world a favour....
Dekka,
I do realise that English is not your first language so I'll excuse the fact that you interpreted anything I've said in my previous posts as either nasty or worthy of being called a tw@t. (It was tw@t and not twit, I take it?)
However, any numbers I've refered to regarding the salary at AHK come directly from the email they sent me. Now you're telling me that you can make an extra $40,000 over the basic salary? And still have the quality of life that you've said make up for the low basic?
Come on, that sounds incredible to say the least and would put the AHK guys on a par with EK, KA and almost CX.
What makes me laugh is that you've been so defensive about all of this, the phrase "the lady doth protest too much" springs to mind.
I do realise that English is not your first language so I'll excuse the fact that you interpreted anything I've said in my previous posts as either nasty or worthy of being called a tw@t. (It was tw@t and not twit, I take it?)
However, any numbers I've refered to regarding the salary at AHK come directly from the email they sent me. Now you're telling me that you can make an extra $40,000 over the basic salary? And still have the quality of life that you've said make up for the low basic?
Come on, that sounds incredible to say the least and would put the AHK guys on a par with EK, KA and almost CX.
What makes me laugh is that you've been so defensive about all of this, the phrase "the lady doth protest too much" springs to mind.
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Kenny,
No, I'm not Mesa, or for that matter any regional. I didn't go that route because of what you supposingly claim-I didn't take a shine jet because of that insultingly low pay.
And I don't believe for one second that there ever was a regional starting you out at 35000 in the first year. Yeah, right; maybe, and even then I don't know, if you worked every extra day that you legally could. But where's the life in that.
I'm glad I didn't get to taste regional life.
On the AHK issue, I won't get in on that, because I don't know.
No, I'm not Mesa, or for that matter any regional. I didn't go that route because of what you supposingly claim-I didn't take a shine jet because of that insultingly low pay.
And I don't believe for one second that there ever was a regional starting you out at 35000 in the first year. Yeah, right; maybe, and even then I don't know, if you worked every extra day that you legally could. But where's the life in that.
I'm glad I didn't get to taste regional life.
On the AHK issue, I won't get in on that, because I don't know.
ACT,
Fair enough. But yes I did work my arse off my first year. My choice and it was pretty tough. If you're lucky enough to work for a carrier that has Trip and Duty rigs, full cx/wx pay, block or better on a leg by leg basis, 1.5 for open time and not have to sit reserve, you'll end up getting paid for a lot more than the hours that go in your logbook. When I started at ZW, other than Horizon, I'm pretty sure we had the best new hire pay.
Short of posting my W2, I'm not sure what more to say.
Fair enough. But yes I did work my arse off my first year. My choice and it was pretty tough. If you're lucky enough to work for a carrier that has Trip and Duty rigs, full cx/wx pay, block or better on a leg by leg basis, 1.5 for open time and not have to sit reserve, you'll end up getting paid for a lot more than the hours that go in your logbook. When I started at ZW, other than Horizon, I'm pretty sure we had the best new hire pay.
Short of posting my W2, I'm not sure what more to say.
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Kenny,
Last post on here because you are starting to irritate me.
English is my first language and it was **** not twit -
In this thread all I have simply stated is the facts with regard to AHK salary and they are FACTS. I am not defensive about it I am just tired of stating facts when people who know nothing about the airline comment.
Good luck with your flying career.
Last post on here because you are starting to irritate me.
English is my first language and it was **** not twit -
In this thread all I have simply stated is the facts with regard to AHK salary and they are FACTS. I am not defensive about it I am just tired of stating facts when people who know nothing about the airline comment.
Good luck with your flying career.