Leaving CX.
Hostile23,
Actually I think you are wrong. There is a very small proportion of people in all seats and positions that are difficult to fly with. Much the same as the previous major carrier I flew with. CX managements past errors (the 49'ers) will deservedly haunt them for years to come but I don't think they will ever do that again. As far as training goes its pretty good in general with a few poor trainers. Yes, the checks still seem to be partially run by a star chamber, I think it depends who's in the offices when your check report arrives, not very satisfactory.
I didn't respond before because you're entitled to your opinion although I disagree with it.
Actually I think you are wrong. There is a very small proportion of people in all seats and positions that are difficult to fly with. Much the same as the previous major carrier I flew with. CX managements past errors (the 49'ers) will deservedly haunt them for years to come but I don't think they will ever do that again. As far as training goes its pretty good in general with a few poor trainers. Yes, the checks still seem to be partially run by a star chamber, I think it depends who's in the offices when your check report arrives, not very satisfactory.
I didn't respond before because you're entitled to your opinion although I disagree with it.
I tend to agree with BusyB.
Attitude is the key to success.
A respectful, helpful and supportive attitude will be reciprocated in 98.7% of cases.
AND I am talking about attitude from the left seat, right seat, back seat, bunk bed and cabin seat!
If you have a ongoing problem, please have an attitude check to make sure you are not one of the 1.3%!
Attitude is the key to success.
A respectful, helpful and supportive attitude will be reciprocated in 98.7% of cases.
AND I am talking about attitude from the left seat, right seat, back seat, bunk bed and cabin seat!
If you have a ongoing problem, please have an attitude check to make sure you are not one of the 1.3%!
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Originally Posted by BusyB
As far as training goes its pretty good in general with a few poor trainers
What CX do you work for???
I think there is one thing that just about everyone can agree on, as it shows up in some form or the other in most posts, that the CX training department is horrible. To make a statement like that BusyB, takes away from your credibility.
As far as Easy goes...who knows if its better or worse. I bet H23 will enjoy his time there. At least he will get off the 3 month contract flying here at CX.
Im under no illusion that these problems are limited to CX only. All that matters is if you can put up with the bad your particular company dishes out. Best of luck to you H23.
iLuvPX,
"I think there is one thing that just about everyone can agree on,"
You may be refering to those on PPRuNe but I can assure you a lot of guys I fly with are quite happy with their trainer/training. As I said, you're welcome to your opinions, just don't start believing everyone has the same opinion!!
"I think there is one thing that just about everyone can agree on,"
You may be refering to those on PPRuNe but I can assure you a lot of guys I fly with are quite happy with their trainer/training. As I said, you're welcome to your opinions, just don't start believing everyone has the same opinion!!
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I doubt my knowledge on Easyjet is out of date, I was speaking to a some of their captains in LGW yesterday. I know quite a few of them very well indeed and many of them are looking at leaving even for F/O positions elsewhere.
Leave CX by all means but you wont be at Easy long before you're looking at heading of somewhere else.
Leave CX by all means but you wont be at Easy long before you're looking at heading of somewhere else.
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And again.
It seems with alarming regularity we get into this rut. Someone says they hate CX and are leaving. Some people say they can't wait to join the exodus, others take the happy to stay view and we go around and around in circles until everyone thinks they have had the last word or gets bored beating thier heads against the others wall.
I shall try to put this as simply as I can.
If you are unhappy with CX leave, don't stay here take the cash and whinge about how unhappy you are. It is spineless and without credibility. Follow H23, if nothing else he is a man of conviction. Unhappy, leave, simple.
If you enjoy flying for CX- happy,stay,simple.
If you have good CX/HK days and bad CX/HK days (as most of us do) shovel the cash away and then when the bad days fill up the sh*t bucket at least the money bucket will be at the same level. Then refer to either of the simple choices above.
On a last note H23 I would controvert your reason for the post. I have no problem with 90% of the LHS guys I fly with, but then I don't have the insecurity issues that you have demonstrated by starting this thread. I don't let other people decide how I should feel.
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I shall try to put this as simply as I can.
If you are unhappy with CX leave, don't stay here take the cash and whinge about how unhappy you are. It is spineless and without credibility. Follow H23, if nothing else he is a man of conviction. Unhappy, leave, simple.
If you enjoy flying for CX- happy,stay,simple.
If you have good CX/HK days and bad CX/HK days (as most of us do) shovel the cash away and then when the bad days fill up the sh*t bucket at least the money bucket will be at the same level. Then refer to either of the simple choices above.
On a last note H23 I would controvert your reason for the post. I have no problem with 90% of the LHS guys I fly with, but then I don't have the insecurity issues that you have demonstrated by starting this thread. I don't let other people decide how I should feel.
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I know at least a dozen pilots at C.X. whom I see on a regular basis. They all agree on one thing. C.X. is run on fear and intimidation. Maybe some of you have been exposed to it for so long you don’t know the difference.
Sorry, Buzy B, but the lives of more then 49 family’s was ruined. Also the likes of me who respected the recruitment ban, only to be kicked in the bal1s later when all was forgiven.
When market forces change they will do it again, maybe they will just be more legal this time as the only regret they have was the bad P.R. Nothing else. Let’s not live in denial. Market forces will hopefully never change in their favour again to allow them to show their true colours.
Just the fact that this threat has been going for so long show there is a problem in C.X.. For the first time in 5 years I am starting to feel that me honouring the recruitment ban was destiny.
Sorry, Buzy B, but the lives of more then 49 family’s was ruined. Also the likes of me who respected the recruitment ban, only to be kicked in the bal1s later when all was forgiven.
When market forces change they will do it again, maybe they will just be more legal this time as the only regret they have was the bad P.R. Nothing else. Let’s not live in denial. Market forces will hopefully never change in their favour again to allow them to show their true colours.
Just the fact that this threat has been going for so long show there is a problem in C.X.. For the first time in 5 years I am starting to feel that me honouring the recruitment ban was destiny.
ByAirMail,
Nothing to be sorry about. I only answered this thread because Hos23 was saying everyone agrees with him.
Nothing can justify the '49ers. Those that respected the inept ban have also been penalised.
I know in excess of 1000 CX pilots so I think I have a better idea of the majorities feelings than you do. We are talking about current feelings not past ones. Everyone is p****d off that we haven't got a payrise yet but that doesn't make all the trainers/training useless.
Nothing to be sorry about. I only answered this thread because Hos23 was saying everyone agrees with him.
Nothing can justify the '49ers. Those that respected the inept ban have also been penalised.
I know in excess of 1000 CX pilots so I think I have a better idea of the majorities feelings than you do. We are talking about current feelings not past ones. Everyone is p****d off that we haven't got a payrise yet but that doesn't make all the trainers/training useless.
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"I know over 1000 Cathay pilots.......................sorry but that is absolute tripe. Met a couple of hundred yes, have intimate knowledge of how they think and be able to comment on their behalf. Ah....NO. This is what I call CCC. (Classic Cathay cr@p). Sorry dude but you sound really dumb making these sought of statements.
Hos23,
You really are wetting yourself aren't you. Yes, I think that about 1000 is reasonable and they, like you, mostly speak their opinions.
Now go away and make your "SOUGHT" of statements somewhere else. You say no-one disagrees with you and when they do you get all aggressive. No wonder you have problems with the training!!
You really are wetting yourself aren't you. Yes, I think that about 1000 is reasonable and they, like you, mostly speak their opinions.
Now go away and make your "SOUGHT" of statements somewhere else. You say no-one disagrees with you and when they do you get all aggressive. No wonder you have problems with the training!!
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Just the arrogant type of response I would expect.I'm not being aggressive, just drawing attention to the fact that you are full of sh!t when you say you "know" 1000 Cathay pilots. I was there for 6 years and probably only met 50-100 tops. Man you must really be a man about town.Thats a lot of hand shaking. Might I suggest your hand is sore from some other form of self indulgent social activity!
How would you know its arrogant, you don't seem to know anybody. Lets look at it. 14 yrs -400 (30 trips yr x 3 crew), 3yrs 777 (22days flying/month, lets say 15 different crew), then we have AEB, bars etc.
You really are a sad sack aren't you? Just feel only you can tell the truth. Dream on.
You really are a sad sack aren't you? Just feel only you can tell the truth. Dream on.
I've been here for 14 years and met one hell of a lot of Cx crew from the most junior S/O to the most senior Capt. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that most are pi**ed off with the management style ( roster/pay/conditions )of this company and not with the training dept. Sure a few are upset about being cat b'd etc but most ( and I really do mean most ) get over it and persist. Ok we have a silly star chamber that really should go but on the whole all check/trainers are not too bad. Remembering there are bad apples in every bunch.
Now as for CRM? yes it is very much alive and well in CX, some better than others I grant you but it's a lot better than 15 years ago or even 5.
Having said all that I accept there are people out there that just don't seem to "get" the Cx style, fair enough you had your try and moved on. Good luck to you but remember 600 Captains and 900 F/O's ( approximate figures of the top of my head, so don't shoot me! )somehow made it through upgrade, so it's very achievable for the vast majority that care to put in the work.
So could you please stop s**t canning Cx all the time, quite a few of us actually enjoy the job so get over the fact you don't/didn't fit in here and move on with your lives.
fair enough?
ok
Now as for CRM? yes it is very much alive and well in CX, some better than others I grant you but it's a lot better than 15 years ago or even 5.
Having said all that I accept there are people out there that just don't seem to "get" the Cx style, fair enough you had your try and moved on. Good luck to you but remember 600 Captains and 900 F/O's ( approximate figures of the top of my head, so don't shoot me! )somehow made it through upgrade, so it's very achievable for the vast majority that care to put in the work.
So could you please stop s**t canning Cx all the time, quite a few of us actually enjoy the job so get over the fact you don't/didn't fit in here and move on with your lives.
fair enough?
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23, I suffer from serious “Establishment Blues”, and yes I hope to be following you soon and do think there is a lot to improve at C.X.
I think you have made your point but now you’re getting insulting and respond to every post with aggression, by the way, where do you get the time??
I think your point was made, so can we please close this thread Mate.
I think you have made your point but now you’re getting insulting and respond to every post with aggression, by the way, where do you get the time??
I think your point was made, so can we please close this thread Mate.