Condor/TCX,Hands across the ocean!
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Condor/TCX,Hands across the ocean!
Seems Condor aranged a little mid pond rendezvous with his buddy on the crossing last week. Popped up to take a snap and wave hello.Unfortunately his mate was 100 miles ahead and the actual a/c above(TCX 75) had to react to a TCAS RA .TCX not over chuffed by interuption to crossword and much squirming on HF from the Germans.
What's the German for Tea and biscuits?
What's the German for Tea and biscuits?
Last edited by HOMER SIMPSONS LOVECHILD; 5th Jul 2005 at 13:53.
Ooops! 
Mis(visual)ident due to similar liveries. I actually find it quite amusing, but I guess some won't. I fancy it might be a little more than tea & biscuits for the poor guys.
Mis(visual)ident due to similar liveries. I actually find it quite amusing, but I guess some won't. I fancy it might be a little more than tea & biscuits for the poor guys.
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I overheard this "discussion" on 121.5. The aircraft that was approached from beneath said that the offending aircraft was indicating only 300 feet below. What amazed us was the way the offending aircraft (not sure what the callsign was) seemed to think it was OK as he had good comms with the aircraft he thought he was approaching. Can you imagine being in the cruise at about 40 West when some plonker climbs to within 300 feet of you to take a photo? And then he says "I'm sorry but don't worry, I thought you were someone else and I have good comms with him!". Absolutely amazing!
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24/06/05 - Condor 062 mis-identified TCX032K as Condor 050.
Other than that, Munkeh's post pretty much covers it all...DFDR cards on both sides pulled and currently under investigation.
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Other than that, Munkeh's post pretty much covers it all...DFDR cards on both sides pulled and currently under investigation.
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Sounds like the Condor 62, if events prove to be correct, failed to maintain his oceanic clearance, willfully disregarded his oceanic clearance, resulting in actual loss of separation and therefore endangering his aircraft and other aircraft most notably the TCX 32K in the process.
If these allegations prove correct, I would think its a bit more than tea and biscuits in the CP office and more like a court appearance.
If these allegations prove correct, I would think its a bit more than tea and biscuits in the CP office and more like a court appearance.
The peoples court
Who has jurisdiction in the middle of the Atlantic?
Both planes were German. - It seems the blame is with the Condor pilot who presumably has a German license and will have to answer to German authorities. Can the Germans suspend a JAA permit?
What would happen say if it was a say a German plane and a Singapore plane got bumped (Just picking examples of countries - no slight intended) and people were killed. Where would a criminal trial get held? What about civil? I could see some interesting legal gymnastics here.
Both planes were German. - It seems the blame is with the Condor pilot who presumably has a German license and will have to answer to German authorities. Can the Germans suspend a JAA permit?
What would happen say if it was a say a German plane and a Singapore plane got bumped (Just picking examples of countries - no slight intended) and people were killed. Where would a criminal trial get held? What about civil? I could see some interesting legal gymnastics here.
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Boths planes were not German.
TCX are operated by Thomas Cook Uk whilst Condor are Thomas Cook AG the german arm of the Thomas Cook brand.
2 Different airlines sonny.
and yes the germans have the authority to pull a JAA licence.
tea and jaffa cakes me thinks
Boths planes were not German.
TCX are operated by Thomas Cook Uk whilst Condor are Thomas Cook AG the german arm of the Thomas Cook brand.
2 Different airlines sonny.
and yes the germans have the authority to pull a JAA licence.
tea and jaffa cakes me thinks
Surely it's the ICAO Rules of the Air doc. which is involved here and the signiatories thereof . So who makes the first move ? I imagine Dr Condor is feeling pretty sorry for himself now , poor sod .
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Nice work to help get us in the press.
Especially as you are a current pilot in TCX, with some influence over what gets discussed at meetings if you know what I mean.
This makes the whole Thomas Cook brand look gash.
Nice work to help get us in the press.
Especially as you are a current pilot in TCX, with some influence over what gets discussed at meetings if you know what I mean.
This makes the whole Thomas Cook brand look gash.
So we just cover it up, or what?
A reminder: failed to maintain his oceanic clearance, willfully disregarded his oceanic clearance, resulting in actual loss of separation and therefore endangering his aircraft and other aircraft
Yes, this does impact the brand and yes, it should bl**dy well impact the brand.
We're selling safe transportation - nothing more and nothing less. If you have hoons fooling around up there, the "safe" rapidly disappears as a selling point.
A reminder: failed to maintain his oceanic clearance, willfully disregarded his oceanic clearance, resulting in actual loss of separation and therefore endangering his aircraft and other aircraft
Yes, this does impact the brand and yes, it should bl**dy well impact the brand.
We're selling safe transportation - nothing more and nothing less. If you have hoons fooling around up there, the "safe" rapidly disappears as a selling point.