Condor/TCX,Hands across the ocean!
 

Seems Condor aranged a little mid pond rendezvous with his buddy on the crossing last week. Popped up to take a snap and wave hello.Unfortunately his mate was 100 miles ahead and the actual a/c above(TCX 75) had to react to a TCAS RA .TCX not over chuffed by interuption to crossword and much squirming on HF from the Germans.
What's the German for Tea and biscuits?:uhoh:

Ooops! :O

Mis(visual)ident due to similar liveries. I actually find it quite amusing, but I guess some won't. I fancy it might be a little more than tea & biscuits for the poor guys.

I overheard this "discussion" on 121.5. The aircraft that was approached from beneath said that the offending aircraft was indicating only 300 feet below. What amazed us was the way the offending aircraft (not sure what the callsign was) seemed to think it was OK as he had good comms with the aircraft he thought he was approaching. Can you imagine being in the cruise at about 40 West when some plonker climbs to within 300 feet of you to take a photo? And then he says "I'm sorry but don't worry, I thought you were someone else and I have good comms with him!". Absolutely amazing!

What's the German for Tea and biscuits?

Very similar!

Invitation for a coffee (no biscuits:( )

"Kaffee trinken"


regards

catchup
whodoesn'tlikecoffee

Eine grosse Zigare rauchen

24/06/05 - Condor 062 mis-identified TCX032K as Condor 050.

Other than that, Munkeh's post pretty much covers it all...DFDR cards on both sides pulled and currently under investigation.

CM

Sounds like the Condor 62, if events prove to be correct, failed to maintain his oceanic clearance, willfully disregarded his oceanic clearance, resulting in actual loss of separation and therefore endangering his aircraft and other aircraft most notably the TCX 32K in the process.
If these allegations prove correct, I would think its a bit more than tea and biscuits in the CP office and more like a court appearance.

The peoples court
 

Who has jurisdiction in the middle of the Atlantic?
Both planes were German. - It seems the blame is with the Condor pilot who presumably has a German license and will have to answer to German authorities. Can the Germans suspend a JAA permit?

What would happen say if it was a say a German plane and a Singapore plane got bumped (Just picking examples of countries - no slight intended) and people were killed. Where would a criminal trial get held? What about civil? I could see some interesting legal gymnastics here.

20Driver

Boths planes were not German.
TCX are operated by Thomas Cook Uk whilst Condor are Thomas Cook AG the german arm of the Thomas Cook brand.

2 Different airlines sonny.

and yes the germans have the authority to pull a JAA licence.

tea and jaffa cakes me thinks

East of 30w UK CAA, west of 30w Transport Canada I would have thought.

Ok, say they were west of 30 - can transport canada suspend or sanction a JAA permit holder?

I belive not, but I'm sure a call to the Germans will fix things. (Because they can......)

Surely it's the ICAO Rules of the Air doc. which is involved here and the signiatories thereof . So who makes the first move ? I imagine Dr Condor is feeling pretty sorry for himself now , poor sod .

Incident took place at 35W if that helps anyone? Transport Canada ARE aware (full report passed to Gander Control at the time).

Blame it on the digital camera makers. When are they going to introduce 20x zoom to prevent this sort of thing happening?

Hey, great photo ..............let me have your email address and I'll send it.

Almost as bad as the Spams asking for ride reports !

Both pilots suspended.

regards

The story is all across the Daily Mail this morning guys, and PPRune mentioned too.

Only goes to show, you have to watch what you write on forums

Homer Simpson's Lovechild

Nice work to help get us in the press.

Especially as you are a current pilot in TCX, with some influence over what gets discussed at meetings if you know what I mean.

This makes the whole Thomas Cook brand look gash.

So we just cover it up, or what?

A reminder: failed to maintain his oceanic clearance, willfully disregarded his oceanic clearance, resulting in actual loss of separation and therefore endangering his aircraft and other aircraft

Yes, this does impact the brand and yes, it should bl**dy well impact the brand.
We're selling safe transportation - nothing more and nothing less. If you have hoons fooling around up there, the "safe" rapidly disappears as a selling point.