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Dear Sirs,
would you be kind to advise on:
1. Can an EASA PPL FI (without CPL or ATPL TK) do the bi-annual checks for PPL SEP?
2. Can an EASA PPL FI (without CPL or ATPL TK but with Night rating, Aerobatic rating and sailplane towing rating) do the Night rating, Aerobatic rating and Sailplane towing rating training for PPL holders?
Best regards,
Mario Hrelja
would you be kind to advise on:
1. Can an EASA PPL FI (without CPL or ATPL TK) do the bi-annual checks for PPL SEP?
2. Can an EASA PPL FI (without CPL or ATPL TK but with Night rating, Aerobatic rating and sailplane towing rating) do the Night rating, Aerobatic rating and Sailplane towing rating training for PPL holders?
Best regards,
Mario Hrelja
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Therefore; you are restricted to teaching for the LAPL(A) only!
If you obtain a CRI rating you could do all of the oither items! It makes no sense, but thats EASA
There are many FIs who did not originally have to take the CPL TK exams who have grandfather rights to teach PPL. So far I have not seen anything in a LAPL FIs rating to indicate any form of limitation, so how is anyone supposed to know or regulate this?
FCL.915.FI FI — Prerequisites
An applicant for an FI certificate shall:
(a) in the case of the FI(A) and:...
............
(2) hold at least a PPL(A) and have:
(i) met the requirements for CPL theoretical knowledge, except for an FI(A) providing training for the LAPL(A) only;
An applicant for an FI certificate shall:
(a) in the case of the FI(A) and:...
............
(2) hold at least a PPL(A) and have:
(i) met the requirements for CPL theoretical knowledge, except for an FI(A) providing training for the LAPL(A) only;
If you obtain a CRI rating you could do all of the oither items! It makes no sense, but thats EASA
There are many FIs who did not originally have to take the CPL TK exams who have grandfather rights to teach PPL. So far I have not seen anything in a LAPL FIs rating to indicate any form of limitation, so how is anyone supposed to know or regulate this?
The regulation Whopity quotes was a last minute (French?) bodge introduced when the 'LAFI' proposal was canned.
So yes, if you obtain a CRI certificate you may conduct the training flight for PPL/SEP holders, but not as a LAPL-restricted FI.
The whole daft nonsense would disappear if EASA were to adopt the original proposal not to require CPL-level theoretical knowledge for PPL FIs. But they won't, as certain Member States will vote against any such change as they won't support what they perceive as non-compliance with ICAO requirements....
So yes, if you obtain a CRI certificate you may conduct the training flight for PPL/SEP holders, but not as a LAPL-restricted FI.
The whole daft nonsense would disappear if EASA were to adopt the original proposal not to require CPL-level theoretical knowledge for PPL FIs. But they won't, as certain Member States will vote against any such change as they won't support what they perceive as non-compliance with ICAO requirements....
The other implication that is often not understood is that, until next April, such an instructor may not conduct 'trial lessons' except at an ATO that holds approval to instruct for the LAPL(A). However, given the recent legislation on 'introductory flights', this should not be too much of a problem, except for the restricted FI looking to build his 'instructional' hours.
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The whole daft nonsense would disappear if EASA were to adopt the original proposal not to require CPL-level theoretical knowledge for PPL FIs.
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Gents, as this is a matter close to my heart, is there any way of getting a change so that a PPL FI without passes in EASA CPL knowledge exams can teach a PPL?
You've got people getting trained on their FI courses to the exact same standard, regardless of whether they have CPL exam passes or not, and who pass the same test to be allowed to obtain their FI rating. Plus, as previously mentioned, a load of the BCPL crowd from years ago are happily teaching PPLs, while their modern counterparts are stuck to teaching LAPL/NPPL for the foreseeable future. So either pull people's (B)CPLs and downgrade them to PPL FIs (either with or without CPL knowledge) with the relevant instructional privileges, or just accept that an FI is an FI, and can teach a licence that they have themselves. Perhaps only bring in a CPL requirement to teach at that level?
If it's an ICAO compliance argument, then just get people to take the FAA commercial pilot written at Farnborough, and hey presto they now possess ICAO CPL knowledge, and haven't had to spend £1-3000 for a distance learning course, 6 months of study, and 2 weeks stuck in a classroom miles from home with all the associated accommodation costs, while taking time off work to pass a large amount of exams which lack relevance, cost more money, and have to be taken when and where the CAA deem fit.
To answer the OPs second question, no, because having the ratings alone, only allows you to do them yourself. To teach them, you have to lift the restrictions from your FI rating, which entails further training, and most likely expense to the CAA to add the new privileges to your licence.
You've got people getting trained on their FI courses to the exact same standard, regardless of whether they have CPL exam passes or not, and who pass the same test to be allowed to obtain their FI rating. Plus, as previously mentioned, a load of the BCPL crowd from years ago are happily teaching PPLs, while their modern counterparts are stuck to teaching LAPL/NPPL for the foreseeable future. So either pull people's (B)CPLs and downgrade them to PPL FIs (either with or without CPL knowledge) with the relevant instructional privileges, or just accept that an FI is an FI, and can teach a licence that they have themselves. Perhaps only bring in a CPL requirement to teach at that level?
If it's an ICAO compliance argument, then just get people to take the FAA commercial pilot written at Farnborough, and hey presto they now possess ICAO CPL knowledge, and haven't had to spend £1-3000 for a distance learning course, 6 months of study, and 2 weeks stuck in a classroom miles from home with all the associated accommodation costs, while taking time off work to pass a large amount of exams which lack relevance, cost more money, and have to be taken when and where the CAA deem fit.
To answer the OPs second question, no, because having the ratings alone, only allows you to do them yourself. To teach them, you have to lift the restrictions from your FI rating, which entails further training, and most likely expense to the CAA to add the new privileges to your licence.
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The problem would be solved a better way if the CPL theoretical knowledge training and exam were meaningful and fit for purpose, as I think that everybody agrees that a FI needs a more advanced theoretical training than a private pilot.
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The problem would be solved a better way if the CPL theoretical knowledge training and exam were meaningful and fit for purpose, as I think that everybody agrees that a FI needs a more advanced theoretical training than a private pilot.
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Hello. Some advice please.....
I have had a CRI rating for a number of years and really get a lot out of the different type of flying. I now want to do the full FI rating, but I don't have the time to complete the CPL written's. Is it really practical without the CPL?
Are there many PPL/SEP holders, flying as LAPL-restricted FI's out there?
Has it proved to be beneficial?
Also, I assume most students now will complete their LAPL's first and then upgrade either straight away or once they have built up some experience.
Finally, I assume when I do have the time to complete the CPL, I assume the LAPL restriction is just lifted?
Many thanks in advance
I have had a CRI rating for a number of years and really get a lot out of the different type of flying. I now want to do the full FI rating, but I don't have the time to complete the CPL written's. Is it really practical without the CPL?
Are there many PPL/SEP holders, flying as LAPL-restricted FI's out there?
Has it proved to be beneficial?
Also, I assume most students now will complete their LAPL's first and then upgrade either straight away or once they have built up some experience.
Finally, I assume when I do have the time to complete the CPL, I assume the LAPL restriction is just lifted?
Many thanks in advance
Finally, I assume when I do have the time to complete the CPL, I assume the LAPL restriction is just lifted?
Are there many PPL/SEP holders, flying as LAPL-restricted FI's out there?
Has it proved to be beneficial?
Has it proved to be beneficial?
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Are there many PPL/SEP holders, flying as LAPL-restricted FI's out there?
Also, I assume most students now will complete their LAPL's first and then upgrade either straight away or once they have built up some experience.
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I now want to do the full FI rating, but I don't have the time to complete the CPL written's. -
On the other hand I have certainly used the enhanced nav and met knowledge that I obtained through the CPL TK, when instructing - it's not all useless.
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Thanks for all the replies.
Sapperkanno suggests that an America CPL written's passed as an ICAO compliant CPL will suffice for a UK PPL/FI. The requirements for a UK CPL written's pass still seem overkill for a UK PPL/FI rating. Any suggestions?
Sapperkanno suggests that an America CPL written's passed as an ICAO compliant CPL will suffice for a UK PPL/FI. The requirements for a UK CPL written's pass still seem overkill for a UK PPL/FI rating. Any suggestions?
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Therefore; you are restricted to teaching for the LAPL(A) only!
If you obtain a CRI rating you could do all of the other items! It makes no sense, but thats EASA
The other implication that is often not understood is that, until next April, such an instructor may not conduct 'trial lessons' except at an ATO that holds approval to instruct for the LAPL(A)
Why would a school want to take on an instructor who is limited to LAPL only, when there is no shortage of FIs who have done the CPL theory and can instruct for PPL etc?
a load of the BCPL crowd from years ago are happily teaching PPLs,
"Pre-entry Test"
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How many FI Course failures have you heard of?
Whilst it was once a reasonable assumption that the knlowledge gained in obtaining a CPL was a reasonable prerequisite for teacing the PPL, one has to ask the question how much of the material in the current European theoretical exams has any relevance at all!
Whilst it was once a reasonable assumption that the knlowledge gained in obtaining a CPL was a reasonable prerequisite for teacing the PPL, one has to ask the question how much of the material in the current European theoretical exams has any relevance at all!
