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Old 14th Jun 2012, 19:33
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MacBook Pro with Retina Display Teardown

Repairing this is going to be a bitch. Even worse than previous Macs
I know I won't be buying one

MacBook Pro with Retina Display Teardown - iFixit

"MacBook Pro with Retina Display 15" Mid 2012 Repairability Score: 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair).
Proprietary pentalobe screws prevent you from gaining access to anything inside.
As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can't upgrade.
The proprietary SSD isn't upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and we’re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case, which increases the chances that it'll break during disassembly. The battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the chance that the user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to replace the entire extremely expensive assembly."

Just remember this doesn't come from a Mac-bashing site, its an independant support site for Apple products, run and written by macheads

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Old 14th Jun 2012, 19:56
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Very negative perspective from Ifixit .... my Macbook Pro has worked well in its out of the box configuration for well over 5 years, without the need to dismantle or upgrade ... it just works. I think I'd focus on that rather than 'what ifs' of failure.

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well thats what you hope for, that it will be reliable
but
batteries DO fail, and screens DO get broken or their electronics fail, and those are the two points which are going to cause the biggest issues if they do fail
Basically you are hoping that the product will live up to Apples reputation for reliability, but how much of a gamble is that? I personally think the risk is too high
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Very negative perspective from Ifixit .... my Macbook Pro has worked well in its out of the box configuration for well over 5 years, without the need to dismantle or upgrade ... it just works. I think I'd focus on that rather than 'what ifs' of failure.
Agreed avturboy. Apple make very reliable machines.

Milo Minderbinder, you have a bit of a history of uncalled for Apple bashing round these parts, its becoming a bit tedious. What exactly is the point of your post ?

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Old 15th Jun 2012, 07:59
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i started with a 128K 9" Mac via various iterations of Macs/MacBooks/iMacs/Power Macs/Mac Pros etc and never had to return one [1984 - 2012] not a bad record.
I had a 22" Cinema Display which malfunctioned. Apple replaced it straight away.

What sort of odds do you want MM?

Take out AppleCare and you are covered for 3 years anyway.

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Old 15th Jun 2012, 08:32
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I don't have a habit of bashing Apple machines. However I do have a habit of bashing what I see as a poor product, and this particular machine from Apple, with its minimal possibilities for repair would seem to fit that bill.
However its not me making the comments - its the reviewers on an independant website who are actually normally pro-Apple. If they have something negative to say I'd tend to believe them.
And as to why did I post it? Thats quite simple - I'm just trying to point out that spending your money on this range of machines may not be the brightest purchasing decision.

Now a question for you: you have a reputation around here of being an Apple proselyte and failing to look at their projects objectively. In short, you have been taken in by the pretty pictures in the adverts, by the gloss of the marketing team, and the hype of the Jobsian persona. You have no ability of independant thought when it comes to Apple products. Whats your point?
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Old 15th Jun 2012, 09:25
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you have a reputation around here of being an Apple proselyte and failing to look at their projects objectively. In short, you have been taken in by the pretty pictures in the adverts, by the gloss of the marketing team, and the hype of the Jobsian persona. You have no ability of independant thought when it comes to Apple products.
Absolute b*llocks my friend, absolute total bu** sh*t.

I have been working in the IT industry for quite a while now. I know a rubbish product when I see one and I know a good product when I see one. I am very much fiercely independent, and yes there are Apple products I don't use because they don't fit the bill for me in terms of features (largely some of their software offerings such as their video or photo manipulation software).

I have had more problems with and seen more poorly built Fujitsu, Lenovo, HP, Dell, Toshiba etc. products over the years than I care to mention. Haven't had the same issue with Apple, same goes for people I know.

Infact, I know someone who works in a very senior position at IBM who has got so fed up with endless problems with the Thinkpads they've given them over the years, and having to get them constantly repaired (primarily hardware faults), that they have just gone to the Apple Store to buy a MacBook instead and are exceedingly happy now. They now exclusively use the MacBook exclusively for work and personal use.

Ask any manufacturer who has tried to get me to sell me their product in favour of another, ask any manufacturer who's got my honest feedback after inviting me to look at their forthcoming products under NDA, ask any customer who's had the benefit of receiving my independent advice. I insist on testing their equipment myself for at least a week, and not have some snotty sales rep come give me a stage-managed demo. Nor do I spend much time reading marketing materials.

As aviate1138, avturboy and myself have pointed out. Apple products have an excellent quality and reliability record. I have been using Apple products for a long time both personally and in business, never had one fail, and believe me, I push them harder than most people will ! I've even (accidentally) dropped a MacBook onto a concrete floor, had a heavy painting fall onto it in a random event.... all still working perfectly. Infact, I'm writing this post on a 2008 vintage Mac Pro..... never had one single problem with it, also goes for a 2009 vintage MacBook Pro that I still use for various things.

Therefore moaning about repair possibilities in a new product is somewhat a moot point and you are making mountains out of molehills.

That is all. I can't be bothered to argue anymore.

P.S. No, I have not read Job's autobiography thingy, and have no plans to do so either !

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I would agree that in general Apple hardware is pretty reliable, the software for non geeks pretty intuitive as well. I can see that the increasing modulisation of the products will lead to difficulties if things go wrong, much as in the auto industry where previously you might have just changed a faulty headlight bulb, now the whole unit has to come out and be replaced.


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Old 15th Jun 2012, 10:25
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Well Mixture, to paraphrase a certain lady, you would say that wouldn't you? And to similarly use the words of another "He doth protest too much, methinks."

Seriously, how can anyone claim that a laptop computer in which its not possible to exchange the battery yourself be can be anything other than an example of poor engineering design? And an expensive liability when the battery fails

PS - just checked. Batteries are excluded from Applecare

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I do not want to get in to an argument between 2 of our best helpers on here. Both Milo and Mixture do us great service.

However, whilst Apple might produce reliable products, the ones that hit the Ancient household are not reliable. On my left, a 3 year old ipod touch. Dead. Went to the Apple shop in Brent Cross (a long way away, but nearest to me) and they had no interest in helping. Didn't want to either see it or touch it. "So what do I do?" I asked. "Buy a new one" said the moron pretending to be a shop assistant.
That was after spending far too much time on apple and other websites trying to fix the bloody thing.
You won't want to hear the story of the other daughter's ipod. It is also dead. Also unwanted by Apple store.

So, not universally good.

On the bigger picture, I am allowed an opinion. I have two main complaints. I resent the fact that the prices are too high, for what is a well designed but cheaply made product off the same production line in Foxconn, China as all the other electronic vendors.
Given the extremely high prices, Apple make it worse by refusing to pay UK taxes. (None of the new terchie big cos pay UK taxes. Not Apple, not Google, not Vodafone, not Facerot). I resnt paying my taxes, while they do not.
I also resent the basic stuff - I can't even change the battery.

This is not Apple bashing, mixture, it is just me having a point of view. As you are a pro I expect you to have a point of view, too.
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Old 15th Jun 2012, 11:12
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Ancient Observer (and Milo Minderbinder),

Guess this debate could run and run.

Unfortunatley I've got more important things to do, having just taken advantage of the BA summer sale, so now need to get on with booking my accommodation. So I'm going to decline from further comment here.
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MM and M chilax, I bet both of you have no idea how extremely beneficial the great advice you have both dispensed here has been - which has also been free.

Re hardware, every manufacture produces a lemon, sometimes by design, sometimes by batch number, sometimes even by greed by deliberately releasing a low quality product containing a huge profit margin after playing the market with a string of successful products.

To borrow a saying from the car industry: "The best car on the road is one built on a Wednesday."

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cameltruck,

No worries, normal service will resume shortly, and I've no long-term hard feelings against MM, just occasionally wish he'd take another look at the way he views Apple.

I know Apple are not perfect. But when taken in the context of the IT industry as a whole, I think even the most hardened Apple begrudger would have to admit they're better than 99% of others and on the same level as the remaining 1%.

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On that point - with a minor disagreement about the numbers - we can agree. You might add that Apple products are normally quite pretty.
I'm glad that the born-again liars such as CSC do not make domestic kit.
Imagine a CSC ipad..... it would weigh 3 times as much, cost 50% more, and the software would never work. I guess that's why the Brit civil service keep on buying CSC's lies....????

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Old 15th Jun 2012, 16:44
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The Apple salesmuppet SHOULD have pointed this price list out to you
Apple - Support - iPod - Repair pricing
Scroll down for UK prices

However there are a number of third party companies around the UK who can repair them cheaper - though I have to say now that I've never used any of them.
It seems that somehow these guys can get spare circuit boards etc out of China through the back door - presumably either from Foxconn, or from Foxconns suppliers. Often the parts turn up on AliBaba - though you'd have to buy a lot of parts!
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Green Caps Lock Light on Magic Keyboard

Anyone else having trouble with an intermittent Caps Lock light on the Apple Magic Keyboard with iMac

I've tried all the usual tricks - battery change, off/on disconnect/reconnect etc.

Google reveals that this is a fairly common problem.

Any further ideas please?

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Old 2nd Jul 2012, 07:23
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Mac Mailbot/Malware

Anyone aware of any OSX/iPad/iPhone mailbot/malware around?

I've had spam mail going out of my hotmail account to people on my mailing list for the last 24-48 hours. not sure if it's from my iPhone, iPad or Macbook and how to clear it without buying an antivirus for all 3.
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More likely your Hotmail account has been compromised and the culprit is just logging in. Reset your password:

Hacked account - Hacked account

Have a Google for "compromised hotmail" (without the quotes) for more info.
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I know Macs have a relatively low infection rate, but it could well be worth installing a free AV program such as this from Avast avast! Free Antivirus for Mac | Security Software for Apple OS X
It'll only work with the newer OSX versions though - older versions may have to make do with Avira or Sophos

I'm not sure what the best AV solution for your iOS devices is - most of the "free" AV solutions for Android phones are pretty much useless (with the notable exceptions of Avast and AVG) and I don't believe the situation for iOS is any better - in fact I don't think either Avast or AVG have a suitable AV program for iOS.
Of course many will claim you don't need protection on an iPhone or Ipad - but that sounds a bit like a "titanic doesn't need lifeboats" theory to me.
Closest thing I can find are a couple of supposed secure browsers such as this from AVG to prevent against hijacks
AVG Free | AVG Family Safety | More than just Parental Control

Wait and see if Mixture has a view

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Interestingly in the last 2 weeks I've been prompted many times for additional 'security information' in the form of alternative e-mail address/tel number etc each time I log in to hotmail. You've got me wondering if it's a hack or if they want more,more,more on the information front and if so, why all of a sudden



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