Qantas SH EBA negotiations

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Originally Posted by metabed

Don't forget transition_alt the rest of the pay rises over the life of the deal from the AFAP's log of claims from their website:

2. Remuneration - Higher base salary / guaranteed earnings
Our claim for salary includes:

• An immediate 8.36% increase to make up for the 2022, 2023 shortfall when compared to CPI.
• An Additional 5% pay increase in line with industry movements.
• Increases over the life of agreement in line with forecast CPI of:
• 2024: 4%
• 2025: 4%
• 2026: 3%
• 2027: 3%

Yes, the 4/3% is merely (hopefully) keeping up with CPI.

The one off pay rise should be greater and any chance of getting that will be completely off the table now. 13.36% will not happen either.
Why start with the lowest number from the get go? Isn’t that negotiation 101? 13.36% would be the lowest I’d accept after the past 15 years.

QF offered the standard 2 year pay freeze and then AFAP come back with 13.36%. So we’ll likely see 5, 10% at absolute best. A poor result in the current negotiation environment.

Maybe I’ll be proven wrong and the IR team will actually come to the table with good faith negotiations like they keep on saying. We shall see…

[gordonfvckingramsay]

They need to stop hiding behind the concept of CPI. The real cost of living is WAY above CPI and to call a CPI increase an increase is a compete fallacy. They also need to put a stop to calling (for example) 4% over 4 years a 16% increase, it’s a 4% increase over successive years…years during which you are still being overtaken by the yearly cost of living.

[Beer Baron]

Originally Posted by Gas Chamber

AIPA could learn a lot from these guys/girls. Open frank negotiation on members behalf.

So have AFAP actually negotiated anything? Or have they just put together a wish list that they will never achieve but makes them sound tough.

[Gas Chamber]

Originally Posted by Beer Baron

So have AFAP actually negotiated anything? Or have they just put together a wish list that they will never achieve but makes them sound tough.

AFAP probably is below what we should expect after the past 15 years. I’ve heard nothing from AIPA (specifics), so which is better?!

[ddrwk]

Originally Posted by Gas Chamber

AFAP probably is below what we should expect after the past 15 years. I’ve heard nothing from AIPA (specifics), so which is better?!

Are you really asking if ‘good’ communications outweighs actual results?

[Brakerider]

What’s the likelihood of the company engaging in ‘good faith’ negotiations with AFAP whilst they already have a lesser “deal” with AIPA?

[dragon man]

Originally Posted by Brakerider

What’s the likelihood of the company engaging in ‘good faith’ negotiations with AFAP whilst they already have a lesser “deal” with AIPA?

We all know good faith in the Qantas corporate dictionary has been replaced by bull**** them and tell them they won’t get back pay.

[Scooter Rassmussin]

Strike action is imminent.

[Colonel_Klink]

Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin

Strike action is imminent.

By who if AIPA have reportedly reached a deal?

[Slezy9]

Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink

By who if AIPA have reportedly reached a deal?

if there’s a deal then where are the details? Why would they sit on them?

[gordonfvckingramsay]

What’s the breakdown of AFAP to AIPA members? If AIPA are as pro company as we think, it would be helpful if they didn’t hold the balance of power, as it were.

[Gas Chamber]

Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink

By who if AIPA have reportedly reached a deal?

all of us if we aren’t happy eating a **** sandwich. It would want to be a good deal after the past few years of absolute abuse under Joyce and co.
union can agree to anything…it’s up to the membership to vote.
PIA all the way for me if the company plays ANY games.
I’m done. 95% of us are.

[ddrwk]

Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink

By who if AIPA have reportedly reached a deal?

Reported where?

If in doubt, call a rep. I did - no in-principle agreement reached yet, negotiations are ongoing. When there’s something to report, it’ll be reported.

[Gas Chamber]

Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay

What’s the breakdown of AFAP to AIPA members? If AIPA are as pro company as we think, it would be helpful if they didn’t hold the balance of power, as it were.

I’d love to know the breakdown too. Very tempted to switch given what I’ve seen. NS trashed the place and left an absolute lack of trust.

[maggot]

Originally Posted by ddrwk

Reported where?

If in doubt, call a rep. I did - no in-principle agreement reached yet, negotiations are ongoing. When there’s something to report, it’ll be reported.

I've heard maybe mid next week

[maggot]

Originally Posted by Slezy9

if there’s a deal then where are the details? Why would they sit on them?

Why wouldn't they do their job as our elected reps? Christ on a bike what's with people demanding every detail of a delicate negotiation?

You can also pick up a phone and ask WTH is going on, or attend the aipa meet days. I've talked to a few reps and they've bounced a few ideas, some I bounced back.

[aussieflyboy]

You’ll get 0%, 0%, 3%, 3% otherwise every other entity that has negotiated an agreement since implementation of the ‘wage policy’ gets a 6% pay rise.

Do you think you’re better then all these other businesses?

[hillbillybob]

all down to how to hide what you want while giving them their headline of "it fits the wages policy"

[TimmyTee]

Why should pilots remuneration depend on what other entities negotiate? Because of a “policy” plucked out of thin air?
Aren’t you all then beholden to the poorest negotiators and their terrible EA outcome?

Seems pretty crazy that pay “rises” can be tied to say FAs, who can walk into the job off the street, and have an average “career” length of ~5 years. They have much less to lose when settling for the first available cash hit.

[Fonz121]

Do you think you’re better then all these other businesses?

If that’s all they were able to negotiate, then yes.