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Old 22nd Jun 2016, 01:32   #41 (permalink)
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Lots of hours around at the moment, most of the hours are on the east coast. Some SYD FOs are going to hit 200k with overnight allowances included, not including Super.
Care to explain how you arrived at this number?

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Old 22nd Jun 2016, 06:36   #42 (permalink)
 
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-Base $110,000
-DTA and Highline $17000
-Overtime, very conservative at 10hrs for 10 months of year : $14000 some rosters you may get 20- 30hrs OT at approx $140 an hour

Work Day Off- anywhere between $1000 and $1800 depending on flight hours. So assuming you do 1-2 work day offs a month one at min and the other say 4 sectors for 10 months thats
- around $15000-$28000 in day off payments. In some cases you wont lose total number of days due to having another rostered day taken off you. Again depends on how you get rostered. I have heard of 9 work day offs in one month by someone!

6 percent bonus plus an additional 5 percent was paid this financial year:
-$12000

And back pay of about
-$7000 - $8000

Add all that up and you will get very close to 200. It all depends on individual and how they have worked ie more overnights or more/ less OT etc...
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Old 22nd Jun 2016, 08:07   #43 (permalink)
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Ah I see, EBA back pay and bonus comes into it. Thanks.
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Old 22nd Jun 2016, 08:54   #44 (permalink)
 
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185k for one of the best years of your life.

if thats how you wanna spend it, by all means go nuts.
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Old 22nd Jun 2016, 09:06   #45 (permalink)
 
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-Overtime, very conservative at 10hrs for 10 months of year : $14000 some rosters you may get 20- 30hrs OT at approx $140 an hour

Work Day Off- anywhere between $1000 and $1800 depending on flight hours. So assuming you do 1-2 work day offs a month one at min and the other say 4 sectors for 10 months thats
- around $15000-$28000 in day off payments. In some cases you wont lose total number of days due to having another rostered day taken off you. Again depends on how you get rostered. I have heard of 9 work day offs in one month by someone!

Hmm, I also would have thought that the very recruitment that this thread is talking about would reduce these additional components?

I can't imagine the Company is happy paying $15-28000 a year to somebody for working on Days meant to be Off Days, let alone a good proportion of 1000 odd employees getting it.

A couple of Jetstar guys I know were complaining that these day off payments, along with the overtime component, had become rare as Hens teeth a couple of years ago (it seemed they'd become used to getting it and perhaps had become reliant on it). The current situation is probably a result of the complete lack of recruitment over the recent past, while the usual attrition has been going on still, and that has created somewhat of a shortage. The same has been true for QF, though theres no such thing as 'Day Off' payments, many have been flying lots of hours and earning a fair way above minimum guaranteed pay. Regardless, now that things are moving on the recruitment front again I'd 'bank'(!) on them stuffing it up in the other direction and overdoing the recruiting again. Such is life in an Airline.

Not saying that JQ folk aren't having a good year this year either (well, if you like getting flogged for coin), but lets not kid newbys into thinking this is the norm. As with any job, bank on minimums; bonus pay is exactly that, a bonus.
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Old 22nd Jun 2016, 09:49   #46 (permalink)
 
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All Valid points. The LCC model is based on crew working overtime, not sitting on 600hrs a year. While Jetstar continue to roster without using a proper bidding system guys are going to UFD and not come in on particular days that they need off, or simply cant be bothered doing. Other guys will either pick this up on STBy or WDO. Another 50 (as indicated by GS) people joining the company wont change things significantly in the grand scheme of things. Especially since this is mostly to cover annual leave and QF guys going back and some wide body movement. Slightly less WDOs, and slightly less OT yes. The company lends itself to using STBs and WDOs on a faily regular bases. Ports with no Engineering coverage/ delays due min turn around times/ rostering errors / carrying MELs/ rosterting such that any delay results in crew walking of..etc etc.. why come in and waste a Saturday if your not in OT or get rostered a 2 sector day? Its the system, its far from great but that comes down to many other factors.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 01:39   #47 (permalink)
 
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It's just the way it is. Right now the company is short and working the troops hard. They will over recruit like last time and grow into it.

Another 50 FOs will become 100 with attrition for the campaign. Which means there should be a few commands coming shortly too. Hasn't been much in that regard since about 2013.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 02:56   #48 (permalink)
 
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Work Day Off payments are an abuse of the pilot community. Just goes to show how shallow pilots are as a group are, by accepting these payments we simply allow the company to operate without truly exposing the crewing levels for what they are.

The thing that makes me laugh is that FO's will sit there complaining about the lack of Command opportunities but don't have a problem with Captains working on days off. Can you imagine how many command positions would be generated for FO's if no Captains worked on days off?

During the recent EBA negotiations I asked one of the pilot managers what their thoughts would be on removing all payments for working on days off. The initial reaction was the manager saying that the company would be ecstatic to get rid of the payment and save some money, he then asked 'why would a pilot work on a day off if they don't get a payment for it?', my answer was 'exactly!'. Suffice to say the pilot manager then changed his mind and said the company would not entertain removing the day off payment.

We bitch and moan about fatigue and rest, lack of commands, lack of crewing etc but we prop up these practices by selling our rest and days off for a few bucks.

So next time you fly with a CP on a day off, that is your command, and next time as an FO you work a day off, that is a seat a new pilot could be filling.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 03:11   #49 (permalink)
 
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exactly ollie. exactly.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 03:27   #50 (permalink)
 
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Amen to that. There's a difference between applying a bit of goodwill (if the company has earned it) to help out on the odd occasion, and selling off all your workmates' future Ts and Cs for a few bucks in the short term. Some employers need constant reminding that goodwill is a two-way street.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 06:26   #51 (permalink)
 
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Well said Ollie!
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 07:53   #52 (permalink)
 
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Oh Ollie. Sweetie, I really am getting quite attracted to you. Classic post.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 10:02   #53 (permalink)
 
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Since day one JQ has always relied on WDO payments. It was only with the QF life raft strategy that numbers advanced to the point of where we all believed they should be and such payments were rare as hens teeth.

Now the love boat occupants are spreading their wings back to the mothership we will once again play a game of cat and mouse. And what Melbourne view as monitarily efficient, we always view as operationally inefficient. At the end of the day it's their train set.

I don't think any of us believes an extra 20 commands will help career aspirations for anyone apart from the anointed 20. Great motivation for a short term though in 12 months we are back here again.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 13:49   #54 (permalink)
 
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The phone rings:

"$1000 to push a few buttons and talk in sequence"

"No, it's all smoke and mirrors to stop you from hiring more pilots"

Ha.

I'd take the Day Off any day. It's locked in.

If you take the 90 rostered hours: only to lose 10 hours at the end of the month due "training" and you lose money.

Pilots: take the money. If a new recruit wants the job, you not doing a day off wont do a thing. They'll find someone else who will do it.


I think: the guys here are promoting to other JQ pilots to say no to day off work so that they can get more day off work. Don't believe their bullshit.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 20:11   #55 (permalink)
 
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ROH111, each to their own, just remember that some of us prefer to work less than MGH and have a life if possible - that's why we became airplane drivers and not doctors or law-talkin' folk.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 22:33   #56 (permalink)
 
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Working less than MGH in the countries biggest LCC, sorry almost fell off my chair. Oh and by the way, as I recall our opportunity to stand united and not work WDos was 2 years ago, remember. Grow up the lot of you.
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Old 23rd Jun 2016, 22:36   #57 (permalink)
 
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And here we have a showing of the caliber of people Jetstar hires.....
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Anyone heard anything recently? Put my application in over a month ago with very similar experience of what I am hearing most people who have been recruited have had. My application has been sitting at "under review" for weeks with no other contact?
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Anyone heard anything recently? Put my application in over a month ago with very similar experience of what I am hearing most people who have been recruited have had. My application has been sitting at "under review" for weeks with no other contact?
2 courses starting in August composed of people who interviewed in June.
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Old 23rd Aug 2016, 03:19   #60 (permalink)
 
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Anymore news about recruitment either in Oz or NZ for JQ?

Apparently some Oz based crew have been sent over to NZ to help fill the gaps in FO ranks! Things must be getting tight with JQ crew?!!!
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