Qantas 787 recruitment for cadetship
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My question was genuine when asking what I did. As far as I remember in Qlink and elsewhere, many direct entry candidates were also selected. Some, who in fact, like me, helped train the cadets and were more scrutinised more than 6 times a year with on going analysis of ones skills. I am not going to react to any individual here that has had a shot, because it is pointless.
The facts are this.
Fact 1) Those cadets wouldn't be in command with an ATPL if CASA had not been pressured to allow ICUS to be logged. Qantas management realised they would have a workforce of pilots unable to be given upgrades in the future and it was touch and go there for a while regarding this.
Fact 2) Those cadets cried their little hearts out when losing their ghosting seniority in QF. Welcome to the real world! If you don't work for QF, then you shouldn't ever have a seniority number (implemented by a previous QF Chief Pilot who, yes you guess it, was a cadet).
Fact 3) Cadets are humans and nice people. They have great skills and boy do they know the SOP's well. However, that doesn't mean, contrary to this argument that I keep hearing, is that GA pilots have "bad skills". If learning to instruct, being a charter pilot, going to university or a jet jock in the military is a "bad skill", then the days of being a professional Qantas pilot are numbered.
All the best to the direct entry pilots in the future and the cadets.
The facts are this.
Fact 1) Those cadets wouldn't be in command with an ATPL if CASA had not been pressured to allow ICUS to be logged. Qantas management realised they would have a workforce of pilots unable to be given upgrades in the future and it was touch and go there for a while regarding this.
Fact 2) Those cadets cried their little hearts out when losing their ghosting seniority in QF. Welcome to the real world! If you don't work for QF, then you shouldn't ever have a seniority number (implemented by a previous QF Chief Pilot who, yes you guess it, was a cadet).
Fact 3) Cadets are humans and nice people. They have great skills and boy do they know the SOP's well. However, that doesn't mean, contrary to this argument that I keep hearing, is that GA pilots have "bad skills". If learning to instruct, being a charter pilot, going to university or a jet jock in the military is a "bad skill", then the days of being a professional Qantas pilot are numbered.
All the best to the direct entry pilots in the future and the cadets.
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Legally speaking, the 'letter of intent' is not actually legally worth the paper it is written on. It is not binding and therefor means nothing. So whenever the recruitment begins again, it could be a free for all and I'm happy for this.
I have an amazing job and have turned down other major airlines for this reason. However, the heart is with QF, so I would, and I am sure many out there reading this, would also like to see a fair system implemented to cover everyone. That's all.
I have an amazing job and have turned down other major airlines for this reason. However, the heart is with QF, so I would, and I am sure many out there reading this, would also like to see a fair system implemented to cover everyone. That's all.
If you turned down other airlines, did you have to apply to them first? Bit of a waste of everyone's time. Always amuses me to hear this.
are the 50 cadets you mention in qlink, qlink cadets or mainline cadets on placement?
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This conversation has degenerated into taking personal shots at me and some of my work colleagues now at Qlink. This was not the purpose of the post and please refer to the rules of pprune and return to the topic.
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No Sir, all the best and take care! I was pointing out a fact that we were all disappointed and clearly you have been as well somewhere along the line. Hope it all works out for you and everyone.
I'm leaving this discussion for someone who has more time available then me! Ciao.
I'm leaving this discussion for someone who has more time available then me! Ciao.
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QF Cadets different from QLink Cadets.
One tested to a much higher standard.
Both bought jobs!!!
At the end of the day does it matter mmmm no. Still get good and bad operators from cadets to GA to DE F/O to DEC.
One tested to a much higher standard.
Both bought jobs!!!
At the end of the day does it matter mmmm no. Still get good and bad operators from cadets to GA to DE F/O to DEC.
No such thing as QLink cadets. There are QLink pilots who went through the QLink trainee program though.
Different process as far as training and previous experience.
Not much difference once you get on line though..
Biggles84, there are also QLink pilots who were 'direct entry' who paid for their Dash8 endorsement. Did they buy their jobs too?
Different process as far as training and previous experience.
Not much difference once you get on line though..
Biggles84, there are also QLink pilots who were 'direct entry' who paid for their Dash8 endorsement. Did they buy their jobs too?
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QF Cadets different from QLink Cadets.
One tested to a much higher standard.
Both bought jobs!!!
One tested to a much higher standard.
Both bought jobs!!!
Please tell us how a Qantas cadet has "bought" a job?
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It's a bit disappointing that you have a go at cadets and then decide to "leave the conversation" because
Unless some posts have been removed I can't see any evidence of this.
I (amongst others) stated previously that many of the cadets at Qlink will be more than capable of becoming mainline SO's because they've had extensive real-world experience in their time at Qlink, including (in some cases) several years TP command.
One of your replies included:
MY OPINION:
Fact 1: So what? The FACT is, is that they have TP command and some have logged well over 1000 hours command.
Fact 2: Hardly relevant to the discussion at hand. The irony in this "fact" is that you're having a personal stab at a group of people and are then refusing to continue a discussion that you started because you feel other people are having a swipe at you for making the statement in the first place.
Fact 3: Please point out to us here where anyone has said on this thread that "GA pilots have "bad skills".
DIVOSH!
It's a bit disappointing that you have a go at cadets and then decide to "leave the conversation" because
This conversation has degenerated into taking personal shots at me and some of my work colleagues now at Qlink.
I (amongst others) stated previously that many of the cadets at Qlink will be more than capable of becoming mainline SO's because they've had extensive real-world experience in their time at Qlink, including (in some cases) several years TP command.
One of your replies included:
The facts are this.
Fact 1) Those cadets wouldn't be in command with an ATPL if CASA had not been pressured to allow ICUS to be logged. Qantas management realised they would have a workforce of pilots unable to be given upgrades in the future and it was touch and go there for a while regarding this.
Fact 2) Those cadets cried their little hearts out when losing their ghosting seniority in QF. Welcome to the real world! If you don't work for QF, then you shouldn't ever have a seniority number (implemented by a previous QF Chief Pilot who, yes you guess it, was a cadet).
Fact 3) Cadets are humans and nice people. They have great skills and boy do they know the SOP's well. However, that doesn't mean, contrary to this argument that I keep hearing, is that GA pilots have "bad skills". If learning to instruct, being a charter pilot, going to university or a jet jock in the military is a "bad skill", then the days of being a professional Qantas pilot are numbered.
Fact 1) Those cadets wouldn't be in command with an ATPL if CASA had not been pressured to allow ICUS to be logged. Qantas management realised they would have a workforce of pilots unable to be given upgrades in the future and it was touch and go there for a while regarding this.
Fact 2) Those cadets cried their little hearts out when losing their ghosting seniority in QF. Welcome to the real world! If you don't work for QF, then you shouldn't ever have a seniority number (implemented by a previous QF Chief Pilot who, yes you guess it, was a cadet).
Fact 3) Cadets are humans and nice people. They have great skills and boy do they know the SOP's well. However, that doesn't mean, contrary to this argument that I keep hearing, is that GA pilots have "bad skills". If learning to instruct, being a charter pilot, going to university or a jet jock in the military is a "bad skill", then the days of being a professional Qantas pilot are numbered.
Fact 1: So what? The FACT is, is that they have TP command and some have logged well over 1000 hours command.
Fact 2: Hardly relevant to the discussion at hand. The irony in this "fact" is that you're having a personal stab at a group of people and are then refusing to continue a discussion that you started because you feel other people are having a swipe at you for making the statement in the first place.
Fact 3: Please point out to us here where anyone has said on this thread that "GA pilots have "bad skills".
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Yadot: From memory, prior to CASA accepting ICUS for ATPL some ex-cadets were faced with the prospect of buying hours in a light aircraft to meet some arbitrary requirement for an ATPL.
I think it didn't CASA long to be persuaded that proper ICUS sectors on commercial RPT operations (where they act as if in command and make all operational decisions under the supervision of a Captain) was far more beneficial than buzzing up and down the coast in a Jabiru for a couple of weeks.
ATPL requirements do not count the "quality" of command hours, merely a number.
I think it didn't CASA long to be persuaded that proper ICUS sectors on commercial RPT operations (where they act as if in command and make all operational decisions under the supervision of a Captain) was far more beneficial than buzzing up and down the coast in a Jabiru for a couple of weeks.
ATPL requirements do not count the "quality" of command hours, merely a number.