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Old 5th Nov 2011, 00:05
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The longer this whole shindig goes on, the more I'm leaning to towards its the fault of the board and they are the ones that should be held accountable for the downfalls over the last few years. Joyce is simply a puppet and now I think he's trying to jump on the grenade so the board can run away to their chairmans lounge and private golf clubs.

Don't get me wrong, Joyce is as incompetent as they come, but he's certainly taking the fall for the failings of the men and women behind closed doors.
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The first rule of government -

Never start an inquiry into anything unless you already know the answers.
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Old 5th Nov 2011, 01:36
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Hmmmm, browsing the ABC Breaking News website just now and came across this story:

Jetstar staff forced to clean around dead body

Posted Fri Nov 4, 2011 6:46pm AEDT | Updated Fri Nov 4, 2011 7:43pm AEDT
A Jetstar flight attendant has told a Senate inquiry that a crew member was ordered to clean around a dead body and managers have shown no concern over staff falling asleep on long-haul flights.


Aha, i thought, THIS is what PPPrNe mentioned yesterday about the FA's testimony, good, i finally get more info on it. But the link doesn't work any more. It leads to a dead page. WTF?

Edit: While that link was dead, this one works thanks to Google: Jetstar staff forced to clean around dead body - ABC Newcastle NSW - Australian Broadcasting Corporation
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A Jetstar flight attendant has told a Senate inquiry that a crew member was ordered to clean around a dead body and managers have shown no concern over staff falling asleep on long-haul flights.
The grounding of the Qantas fleet dominated the day's evidence before the Senate, but a last-minute witness, Sydney-based Jetstar flight attendant Michael Kelly, took the hearing in a different direction.
Mr Kelly testified he and several of his colleagues had been falling asleep on 15-and-a-half-hour return trips between Sydney and Bali.
He highlighted the case of a woman who crashed her car on the way home from one such flight and later committed suicide.
"Because she stopped for coffee to stay awake she didn't receive any assistance from the company because she broke the journey from point A to point B," he said.
He said another colleague was forced to clean an aircraft while the body of a deceased passenger was still on board.
Mr Kelly said he would prefer to work for Virgin Australia because of poor working conditions within the Qantas group.
"A lot of Jetstar employees wish to work for the Virgin group because Sir Richard Branson and John Borghetti take great care of their crew," he said.
Mr Kelly also testified a colleague suffering glandular fever kept working after sending 13 unanswered emails to the company asking for time off.
Earlier, Qantas chief executive Alan Joyce argued his decision to ground Qantas's fleet was justified.
Meanwhile, Jetstar has taken three of its Airbus A320 aircraft out of service over safety concerns.
The budget airline owned by Qantas says it has detected a small amount of movement in the tracks of recently installed seats.
Jetstar says it has cancelled six flights as a precautionary measure.
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Couple of bottles of grange to the editor, story magically vanishes
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Couple of bottles of grange to the editor, story magically vanishes
Much as i Like a good conspiracy theory, the link's now working. So, either someone at the ABC's a PPRuNe fan, or it was just a glitch in the matrix

No-one recorded the afternoon sessions yesterday??? Damn. Maybe ABC News 24 would oblige if asked?
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Old 5th Nov 2011, 04:10
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Can someone give a summary from yesterday of the female FA from Jetstar (who appeared at the last Senate hearings) please. I missed the session and was very worried about retribution from the company last time as she was very credible and a gutsy lady.

thanks

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Old 5th Nov 2011, 04:16
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female FA from Jetstar (who appeared at the last Senate hearings) please. I missed the session and was very worried about retribution from the company last time as she was very credible and a gutsy lady.
If she hasn't already planned on leaving I would hazard a guess she will be fine for the forseable future. Any sort of dismissal after that will be seen as payback and the HR department wouldn't allow it. The exception is if they got her on something really bad and had a lot of evidence.

What I would say though is her employment prospects for other airlines will most likely be damaged, in that matter any other large company.
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I'd imagine her roster would be terrible too.
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Profit without dividend

Profit without dividend = retained earnings

Used to buy things like aircraft when you don't want to use debt or equity financing.
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What I would say though is her employment prospects for other airlines will most likely be damaged, in that matter any other large company.
Really? Not with any company I've worked for over the last 20 years. Passion says a lot, if that's what it was and why I want to see it.
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Backwash

I hope that the associated unions in this fight support the Flight Attendants when the Corporation acts as corporations do... they have shown strength of character and personal courage that evidently puts the QFA board to shame, as well as QF senior management that either believes the Joyce Future Fantasy, or knows that it is flawed, yet doesn't have the intestinal fortitude and sense of honor to notify the King that he is bare butted...

Theres a mirror out there for everyone, (some more cracked than others)
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SimonBl if there isn't a copy of the afternoon's proceedings you can request what you need from: How do I request a copy of parliamentary proceedings?

You'll find they are very prompt in getting back to you. Other than that the Hansard should be out by the middle of next week! Here's the link:

Hansard Senate Committees
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SimonBl if there isn't a copy of the afternoon's proceedings you can request what you need from: How do I request a copy of parliamentary proceedings?
Sarcs, any thanks. I'll do this and then put them online (if allowed). Hansard if I'm not mistaken, is the written transcripts which don't always tell the full story.
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Originally Posted by Cookie7
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My post was actually a tongue-in-cheek reply to bankrunner but half that members post was removed by a mod due to it being a personal attack.

TG - in answer to your secondary, AIPA were present and spoken for, I'm sure you know which 3 reps spoke today (otherwise PM me).
I'm also sure one of the usual members will post a tube video of that portion of the afternoon.

I must say, the absolute disgrace of the day was AJ not clearing his calendar and availing himself completely. Regardless of whether or not a person summonsed to the Senate Enquiry is given a timeframe, they should always make the full day available. As has been seen on various replays of news items this evening, AJ asking to meet his flight and Senator Cameron suggesting otherwise!

And a side note to another member of Pprune (and you know who you are), you did say if ANYONE showed contempt you would release items to relevant personnel, now I hope you do so!
For real cookie? QF weren't the only organization there to provide statements and answer questions. There was a schedule and as a result of the continued questioning to QF, Virgin, CASA, DEEWR, DIT didn't even get a look in as scheduled. If all the committee wanted to do was grill QF they should have made that known.
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Old 6th Nov 2011, 01:32
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Really? Not with any company I've worked for over the last 20 years
As a rule big companys don't like to hire people who may be percieved as trouble makers. If for example she was forced to testify etc, then that is different.

If it was a personal choice thing then it depends apon perceptions of what she said. If it comes across as corporate bashing then they won't touch her with a 10 foot barge pole. In the end it will come down to the HR departments perception of what she did.
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Is anyone really suggesting AJ and his minders could not have predicted they were up for it big time? If not, they were the only ones in the room.

The only reason he had a plane to catch was so that he could get out of that room and hope they didn't call him back. Thankfully the senators were well onto him and indicated that they would extend a further invitation for another day.

I also don't believe that any of the other scheduled witnesses would have minded a bit being delayed or being called back, as they observed the rightful grilling that the Rat was getting and may it last a little while longer yet.

I would even think that some of his managers would cover for him at work when required so they didn't have to explain their own actions on many fronts.
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Hey readers,

Just for your info I would not pin any hopes on the current changes being discussed in the senate passing on the house floor. The discussions however will flush out a few facts that have previously been hidden. Assessments will be made beyond that and I then fully expect the real amendments to the Sale Act coming out.

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Hey readers,

Just for your info I would not pin any hopes on the current changes being discussed in the senate passing on the house floor. The discussions however will flush out a few facts that have previously been hidden. Assessments will be made beyond that and I then fully expect the real amendments to the Sale Act coming out.

cheers
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Let's hope that someone in the senate has enough brains and clout to get this done. The Sales Act should, as far as can be seen and reasonably expected include possible future changes the company may have in mind.

All the best for negotiations today with QANTAS. Don't let them rattle you. You have a lot more support than is being made out in the tabloids and TV.
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What is the schedule for further appearances from Alan (he's our mate now remember), at the senate hearing?
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