A380 X-wind
The only news down south I am aware of is a rumour in QF that there is some discussion between engineering and the flight department re the "suitability" of the A380 for QF.
It is safe to assume 'the new owners' of QF will review the A380 order.
It appears most of the A380 customers are reviewing their A380 plans, especially SQ and EK. I understand 2 customers will cancel before 31 Dec and undermine the whole program.
It is safe to assume 'the new owners' of QF will review the A380 order.
It appears most of the A380 customers are reviewing their A380 plans, especially SQ and EK. I understand 2 customers will cancel before 31 Dec and undermine the whole program.
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The Boeings I've flown don't have any different x-wind limitation for an autoland except when predicated on LWMO, maybe that is what you mean.
A 400 still can autoland at the full x-wind limit as can the 777.
The Boeings I've flown don't have any different x-wind limitation for an autoland except when predicated on LWMO, maybe that is what you mean.
A 400 still can autoland at the full x-wind limit as can the 777.
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The way I read the 20 kt limit 404 Titan is talking about, is the same way I read the 25 kt crosswind limit on the 777/744.
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The 777 was certified by Boeing to autoland up to the limit of 38kts.
And the test crew manually landed it in 58kts Xwind.
The only limits are during LWMO.
This is FACT.
And the test crew manually landed it in 58kts Xwind.
The only limits are during LWMO.
This is FACT.
777-300 Fcom 3
To quote the 777-300 FCOM 3 ( which is approved by Boeing )
AUTOMATIC LANDING:
The Maximum allowable wind speeds when landing weather minima are predicated on LWMO conditions are:
HEADWIND 25kts
TAILWIND 15kts
CROSSWIND 25kts
note: crosswind limit applicable to actual LWMO on a non-contaminated runway only. Refer to page L10.1 "Aircraft General" for other conditions.
Which states: Maximum crosswind component-Takeoff and Landing
Non-Contaminated runway 38kts.
The mighty trippler can and does autoland up to 38kts.
AUTOMATIC LANDING:
The Maximum allowable wind speeds when landing weather minima are predicated on LWMO conditions are:
HEADWIND 25kts
TAILWIND 15kts
CROSSWIND 25kts
note: crosswind limit applicable to actual LWMO on a non-contaminated runway only. Refer to page L10.1 "Aircraft General" for other conditions.
Which states: Maximum crosswind component-Takeoff and Landing
Non-Contaminated runway 38kts.
The mighty trippler can and does autoland up to 38kts.
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ACMS,
I had a look at REV 67 of page L.10.8 of your 777 FCOM 3, it does not reflect what you have quoted.
As I said before, it depends on who you work for, and where you land. Even at the same airport one may have different crosswind limits depending on the runway in use.
FYI, Boeing does not certify anything, I trust you understand that subtle point.
I had a look at REV 67 of page L.10.8 of your 777 FCOM 3, it does not reflect what you have quoted.
As I said before, it depends on who you work for, and where you land. Even at the same airport one may have different crosswind limits depending on the runway in use.
FYI, Boeing does not certify anything, I trust you understand that subtle point.
ACMS,
I had a look at REV 67 of page L.10.8 of your 777 FCOM 3, it does not reflect what you have quoted.
As I said before, it depends on who you work for, and where you land. Even at the same airport one may have different crosswind limits depending on the runway in use.
FYI, Boeing does not certify anything, I trust you understand that subtle point.
I had a look at REV 67 of page L.10.8 of your 777 FCOM 3, it does not reflect what you have quoted.
As I said before, it depends on who you work for, and where you land. Even at the same airport one may have different crosswind limits depending on the runway in use.
FYI, Boeing does not certify anything, I trust you understand that subtle point.
dear Zeke
We now have digital documents for each aircraft. The last FCOM 3 rev I had was REV 75. Rev 67 came out around July 2004.
I just looked at the Limitations section of FCOM 3 for 2 of our 777's. ( to make sure each was the same ) and there is no page 10.8????????????????
Also the limitations I quoted above are still written the same way in each FCOM 3 I examined. So I have no idea what you are talking about.
If you are in CX then please go to the digital documents page, download a 777 FCOM 3 in HTML or PDF and tell me where the information you refer to is?
I can't imagine Boeing would need to have different Xwind limits for different operators and on different runways as well?
The Runway is either approved for Autoland or it's not ( each operator may be different in this respect ), If it is then 38kts can be used in the right wx.
Yes you are correct, the FAA certified the Aircraft, Boeing only built it
Boeing build a nice shiny aircraft, they then must demonstrate that it can be landed in crosswinds by the average Pilot. In the case of the 777 they chose 38 kts as the demonstrated maximum crosswind limit. This they did so as to gain certification from the relevant authorities.
The FCOMS CX use are checked and approved by Boeing. They are actually Boeing documents we tailor to our needs, under their approval.
ACMS,
I had a look at REV 67 of page L.10.8 of your 777 FCOM 3, it does not reflect what you have quoted.
I had a look at REV 67 of page L.10.8 of your 777 FCOM 3, it does not reflect what you have quoted.
I just looked at the Limitations section of FCOM 3 for 2 of our 777's. ( to make sure each was the same ) and there is no page 10.8????????????????
Also the limitations I quoted above are still written the same way in each FCOM 3 I examined. So I have no idea what you are talking about.
If you are in CX then please go to the digital documents page, download a 777 FCOM 3 in HTML or PDF and tell me where the information you refer to is?
As I said before, it depends on who you work for, and where you land. Even at the same airport one may have different crosswind limits depending on the runway in use.
The Runway is either approved for Autoland or it's not ( each operator may be different in this respect ), If it is then 38kts can be used in the right wx.
FYI, Boeing does not certify anything, I trust you understand that subtle point.
Boeing build a nice shiny aircraft, they then must demonstrate that it can be landed in crosswinds by the average Pilot. In the case of the 777 they chose 38 kts as the demonstrated maximum crosswind limit. This they did so as to gain certification from the relevant authorities.
The FCOMS CX use are checked and approved by Boeing. They are actually Boeing documents we tailor to our needs, under their approval.
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Please give an example for different x-wind limits for different runways at different airports as I have never seen or heard of such a thing but you obviously have.
Please give an example for different x-wind limits for different runways at different airports as I have never seen or heard of such a thing but you obviously have.
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Sorry ACMS,
Been busy last week making sure you get your 13th month and profit sharing this year.
Had another look at your FCOM 3, dates june this year, the page is now L.22. Word for word the same as the older PDF I had. Still does not read as you have posted.
Messiah,
Runway width is the simple answer, not all runways are 60m wide.
Been busy last week making sure you get your 13th month and profit sharing this year.
Had another look at your FCOM 3, dates june this year, the page is now L.22. Word for word the same as the older PDF I had. Still does not read as you have posted.
Messiah,
Runway width is the simple answer, not all runways are 60m wide.
Zeke my ol chum.
don't forget I actually fly the 777, so I'm probably one of the busiest boys in the company, and i'm not even close the overtime. So enough of the "making sure you get your 13th month" jibes.
page L22.1 is the one you seem to be referring to, it is indeed the one I quoted from earlier. Mate have you actually read it????????? READ THE NOTE IN BOLD I quoted it verbatum above, I didn't change the wording and copied it down exactly. There is no doubt reading it, ALL 777 Pilot's from the CP down to the JFO's all read it the same way I do. The only limits ( apart from Contaminated runways ) apply to LWMO conditions, otherwise it's 38kts.
Maybe a possibility with other airlines but not with CX. Personally I doubt Boeing would have made it that complicated for other operators either. They got their aircraft certified to land in 38kts Xwind on a 45m or 60m Rwy.Ideed we fly into both 45m and 60m Rwys and there is no difference with our Xwind limits for either size.
Are there any 30m Rwy's that a 777 could land on???????????? not sure but it ain't mentioned in our manuals that's for sure.
So good try my Airbus lovin friend. Now back to the Bus for you.
Been busy last week making sure you get your 13th month and profit sharing this year.
Had another look at your FCOM 3, dates june this year, the page is now L.22. Word for word the same as the older PDF I had. Still does not read as you have posted.
Runway width is the simple answer, not all runways are 60m wide.
Are there any 30m Rwy's that a 777 could land on???????????? not sure but it ain't mentioned in our manuals that's for sure.
So good try my Airbus lovin friend. Now back to the Bus for you.
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ZEKE........ In my haste and excitement I did mis quote the FCOM 3 page L10.1
It should have been "Maximum allowable wind speeds when landing minima are predicated on Autoland operations" and not LWMO operations.
However as I said to you in a PM. ( or words similar to this anyway
)
The only time landing weather minima are predicated on autoland operations is during LWMO
So my wording might have been off a little, but it makes no difference to the story.
cheers.
It should have been "Maximum allowable wind speeds when landing minima are predicated on Autoland operations" and not LWMO operations.
However as I said to you in a PM. ( or words similar to this anyway
)The only time landing weather minima are predicated on autoland operations is during LWMO
So my wording might have been off a little, but it makes no difference to the story.
cheers.
