AIRBUS task sharing - Paper checklists

[SumFingWong]

Can anyone please clear up a grey area of Airbus operational philosophy for me please ?

When conducting a paper 'checklist', for example the MANUAL ENGINE START procedure from FCOM SUPPLEMENTARY PROCEDURES, who does and says what ?

My guess is that the PNF reads the C/L, and the PF actions each item but I cant find specific reference to it, and it seems to contradict the task sharing during ECAM.

I have also seen wild variations on how Captains run paper checklists out on line.

Is there a standard way ? Is there a reference to back it up ?

Thanks !

[Microburst2002]

Perhaps FCTM?

[SumFingWong]

Nothing in the FCTM that deals with this situation.... lots of good info re ECAM etc but paper procedures seem to be overlooked !

[vilas]

TaskSharing on GND - abnormal or supplementary

ForABNORMAL procedure on GND:


ABNORMAL procedures should normally be applied when the aircraft is stopped and the parking brake is ON. Coordinate with ATC to stop the aircraft or to proceed to a parking position.
Task sharing remains the same than in flight :

PF – PNF roles are identical as in flight
PNF reads C/L and performs the actions, confirmation by PF of irreversible actions is NOT required.


ForSUPPLEMENTARY techniques:


if the procedure is related to engine start, it is recommended to read the entire procedure first and then:

PNF reads the actions and
PF acts on commands, even on the overhead panel

Otherwise, the procedure is considered as read and do and is performed by the PNF.
Howevre this is Airbus SOP. Individual Airline may have their own variations.

[SumFingWong]

Thankyou Vilas !

Thats exactly what I was after... That text is not in my FCTM.. Do you have a reference for it ?

[vilas]

If you have access to Airbus world you can get the reference or ask your Airline to get it.

[Slasher]

...try to simplify anything Airbus by Boeingfying it with the KISS method -

1. Open your FCOM Supp to the drill required (eg man start, x-bleed, SE start/taxy, whatever)

2. PNF reads and both crew review (incl those pesky but bloody important notes and anything
in italics)

3. Both drivers discuss and make totally clear who does what and when

4. Questions

5. When it comes time to carry out the drill - PNF reads, PF does (ie challenge-response) and
PNF still crosschecks anything guarded

That's my outfit's 320 SOP.

[nitpicker330]

Yep that's what we do on our Bus's for x bleed starts and other non normal ground stuff.

PM reads
PF does.

With the exception of Manual starts which must always be done by the Captain.

:ok:

[Slasher]

With the exception of Manual starts which must always be done by the Captain.

..Can't disagree with that logic mate, considering the passive monitoring during a
manual start - and if a problem the consequential Engine Start Fault proc that the
Frogs decided to put elsewhere in that FCOM!

That's two separate references one has to have open (PRO-SUP 70 and PRO ABN 70)
for the one drill. :rolleyes: :ugh:

[nitpicker330]

Hey not my thinking, the SUPP part of FCOM 3 states Manual Starts must always be done by elcapitano...:ok: Can't trust those lowly FO's :}

[SumFingWong]

Hey Nitpicker - is that requirement for the CM1 to do the engine start a company SOP ? I cant find it in my AB docs ?

[nitpicker330]

Hey I don't know, maybe my outfit stuck that bit in?

[Slasher]

FCOMs are tailored to the Operator. In our mob it's ok to wrench a manual start
off a kid and do it yourself if you feel you should. Senior FOs I usually let do as
most are competent and not afraid to speak up if he starts losing the plot (like if
the APU ****s itself as the first engine lights up).