Little B@st@rds!!!!!

[shortstripper]

My car was stolen this morning. I drove to the farm at 4am and sometime between then and 6.30am some nasty little sods came into the farm office, took my keys and drove off with my car! The police reckon it was taken as a getaway vehicle as it fits with an attempted cable theft at around the same time. They'd been seen and had then got their car stuck so legged it across the fields. Chances are they spotted the farm, took a chance, nipped into the office and away they went. There were two of us working and we were both in and out the office all the time ... so they had some nerve!

I've just recently been to a couple of local airfields to find out about renewing my ratings .... So my licence and logbooks were in the car along with my wallet ect.

Now what???? I guess I have to ring the CAA about the loss of my licence, but what happens about my logbook records from a legal point of view? I don't have any sort of back ups (kept meaning too, but never did). I know roughly what total hours but I can't remember stuff like instrument time from when I did an IMC or the split between TMG and SEP. What about proof of flying the stuff I've flown that now require evidence of "differences" training or experience?

I'm hoping I might get it back, but chances don't look great :{

SS

[doubleu-anker]

Well there was a guy a few years ago, who was getting a bit weeded off with his car being tampered with at a railway station car park. Being electrical savvy, he rigged up a coil etc., so if anyone touched his car they got a good belt.

Apparently some little Hitler of a "parking operative" tried the door. He got such a belt I believe his eyes stuck out about an inch on receiving current. Guess what, the car owner was done for assault.

You just have to let the little b:mad:s get on with it and not to interfere.:ugh:

[Daysleeper]

Local radio, (small) reward for safe return of logbook no questions asked. It has no value to anyone but you.

Worked for a mate of mine when his bag was nicked in coventry.

Problem you have is if the car was taken as a getaway from a botched crime then they've probably torched it.

[shortstripper]

Biggest concern of the police was that my shotgun licence and a few cartridges were in it. They then came to see my shotgun cabinet and guns and have advised me to be extra vigilant in case the perps come to the house looking to steal them .... They might get more than they bargained for if they do!

[Pilot.Lyons]

Stick a few dozen pellets ip their arse on the way out if the come back...... Give them a taste of prison life (hurts to sit down :) before they get there........

Mind you, if its in the uk you would more than likely be the one being sent down!

[stickandrudderman]

Never shoot them in the arse, only in the front. This demonstrates they were coming to get you and you shot in self-defence. If you shoot them in the arse they were running away and you shot them because you wanted to....
You will not like the outcome.

[Pilot.Lyons]

True... Never thought of it like that

Prob why id end in prison then lol

[Pace]

You will have to build up records to the best of your knowledge as well as any records held by your flying school! Make up a new log, trundle down to a solicitor and swear an afi david ( If I have spelled it right then you are good to go.

Record the police crime number in the log too

Not sure if you then need to send it off to the CAA for approval?

Pace

[mary meagher]

Been there. Bastards is too good a word. I got my car back, but the logbook and textbooks were chucked in a ditch or something.

Reconstructed as much as possible from the club records....as it was only a gliding logbook didn't matter for a license.... but from then on I made copies of EVERYTHING.

[Barcli]

Genuinely sorry to hear about your loss.
Make up the hours and get a Hungarian CPL ( sorry EASA) - thats what everyone else does.......;)

[shortstripper]

I haven't been at a flying school for years Pace. I've been flying since 1986 and since around the mid 90's it's all been in LAA types from farm strips.

[trident3A]

They should chop their bloody hands off - such an awful thing to happen. Hope you get them back

[Pace]

I haven't been at a flying school for years Pace. I've been flying since 1986 and since around the mid 90's it's all been in LAA types from farm strips.

Explain the situation to the CAA and ask them what to do. You must have a list of aircraft you have flown? or owned? Record those! You remember roughly how many hours you have?
Fill it all into a new log book " To the best of your knowledge" and swear an Afi David with a solicitor that to the best of your knowledge the details you have filled in the log book are true and accurate.

Maybe someone who has been through this can detail what they did as you wont be the first or the last.

Pace

[patowalker]

LAA will have hours declared at annual inspections, which could be useful if you were the only pilot.

[mad_jock]

its just do as PAce says. Have a good estimate and then get it signed off.

If your just flying for pleasure it really doesn;t matter as long as you do enough hours after you start your new log book to statisfy the revalidation requirements of you license.

Maybe though you can start an elelctronic log book as well when you start your new paper one.

[gordon field]

If you have held a CAA licence for a number of years then your medical records and declaration will show the total time to date and hours flown in last 12 months. Your AME and the CAA should have this data on file.

Hope this helps.

[airpolice]

I'm not defending the ****ers who stole your car, but......

It's not their fault that you don't have your logbook. You left it in the car and you didn't have a safety copy.

You should always have a copy of your logbook, how hard is it to use your phone to take a photo of it after each entry or at least once a month?

There are loads of ways you could have lost it, not involving crime. You could be involved in a bump where the car catches fire or ends up in a river and the book gets destroyed. You could have a house fire or flood, or maybe just drive away with your bag on the roof of the car and it ends up in a bin.

It wouldn't be the first time if a door blew open in flight and the bag made a rapid descent end was never seen again.

So, lets all take five minutes to photograph our logbooks today.

[DaveW]

It's not their fault that you don't have your logbook.

YES, IT FLIPPIN' WELL IS!

It may not be their fault that ss doesn't have a copy, and I'm sure your advice in that regard is hardly needed now, but the fault for the theft lies firmly with the scrotes - no question.

There's a disappointing theme sometimes from the rozzerhood that a crime victim is somehow at fault if they have nice things. It simply muddies the waters; we must be absolutely clear that a crook is a crook.

[Crash one]

Airpolice, that is the biggest pile of utter ****e I have read for some time.
Do you really believe that the bloody thieving bastards are not responsible?
Do you have a copy of everything important to you?
If so then I suggest :mad::mad::mad: that you must really be a policeman.

[EddieHeli]

It's not their fault that you don't have your logbook. You left it in the car and you didn't have a safety copy.

And that attitude from the police and others in authority says everything about why this country is in the state it is.

If something is STOLEN it is absolutely the fault of the thief, and I don't give a rats arse what type of background or upbringing / disadvantage they may or may not have had. I don't care if the STOLEN thing was left in full view for all to see, it doesn't mean it is available to take.

That's why there are still some places on this earth where people can go out and leave their houses unlocked and keys in the ignition, because potential scrotes know the risk reward ratio is not in their favour, unlike here, where the victim is pilloried for daring to have things worth stealing.

[Crash one]

So, lets all take five minutes to photograph our logbooks today.

Patronising pillock!

[G-OE]

And that attitude from the police and others in authority says everything about why this country is in the state it is.

If something is STOLEN it is absolutely the fault of the thief, and I don't give a rats arse what type of background or upbringing / disadvantage they may or may not have had. I don't care if the STOLEN thing was left in full view for all to see, it doesn't mean it is available to take.

That's why there are still some places on this earth where people can go out and leave their houses unlocked and keys in the ignition, because potential scrotes know the risk reward ratio is not in their favour, unlike here, where the victim is pilloried for daring to have things worth stealing.


Here here!
I hate this attitude, we should be able to live without having to worry about things been nicked, then being told afterwards that it is partly our fault by w****s who seem to think that it makes them feel important by being 'alternative'. *cough airpolice *cough
Thank you.
(But yes let's all take photos right now of our logbook!)

[fatmanmedia]

And what pry tell would happen if the phone that was used to take photos of the log book got stolen, or worse if the phone was left in the car with the log book and the car got stolen.

Should we then take a drawing of the phone as evidence of the phone and the log book, but wait what if that got stolen? :}

I agree with the general settlement of the thread.

I feel sorry for the OP, it was not his fault that his car got stolen and with it his log book, all you can so is try to work out your hours to date, and get a notarized affidavit and send that in to the CAA.

Hopefully the police will recover your car with your log books in place. But noing the police today, there are more interested in shooting some fool with a taser than catching real criminals.

fats

[Pace]

and get a notarized affidavit and send that in to the CAA.

FatmanMedia

Thanks for saying how AFFIDAVIT is spelt not my AFI DAVID :E

Where does it come from?

Pace

[A and C]

The loss of data is always far more troublesome that the loss of objects such as cars & logbooks, I have decided to go for an electronic bog book system that backs up via iCloud.

So far the crash of my iPad dod not result in loss of data.

The only thing that is a bit of a problem is getting the old log book data into the system, so my advice is to get into the electronic system ASAP.

As for the person who stole the car, I think a bit of revenge is in order. A good few year ago a mate had his motorcycle stolen, the thief brush painted is red to make it less recognizable. We found him out and after he had come out of the pub one night we caught him, stripped him, tied him to a lamppost and painted him red !

Revenge is best eaten cold !

[Johnm]

Ah'm jist sayin.....

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm not defending the ****ers who stole your car, but......

It's not their fault that you don't have your logbook. You left it in the car and you didn't have a safety copy.

You should always have a copy of your logbook, how hard is it to use your phone to take a photo of it after each entry or at least once a month?

There are loads of ways you could have lost it, not involving crime. You could be involved in a bump where the car catches fire or ends up in a river and the book gets destroyed. You could have a house fire or flood, or maybe just drive away with your bag on the roof of the car and it ends up in a bin.

It wouldn't be the first time if a door blew open in flight and the bag made a rapid descent end was never seen again.

So, lets all take five minutes to photograph our logbooks today.

This suggest that you like the police have given up trying to control criminals and now look to the innocent to minimise opportunities for crime by living inconveniently, I haven't given up on stopping criminals yet.

It'll also take a lot longer than 5 minutes to photocopy my log books and I don't carry them in the aircraft, they live in a bookcase in my study!

[BEagle]

In the 1950s, we lived in a small hamlet in Somerset. We never locked the house and my father never locked his car in the local market town, often leaving the keys in the ignition.

We also had groups of friendly gypsies in the area, who still travelled in horse-drawn bow top wagons and often camped on the nearby common. They were no bother to anyone.

A different, sadly bygone era. But anyone who thinks that the fault for something being stolen lies with anyone other than the thief is emphatically wrong. Personally I think that the judiciary takes far too soft a line with regard to casual theft.

[shortstripper]

Thanks for the replies and advice all.

Yes I wish I'd taken photo's of the pages in my logbook as it was more than just a record of hours. I had lots in the comments columb recording interesting flights, people met at fly-ins (including Neville Duke), the test flights of my old Slingsby T31m ... ect, ect. I meant too, but as is often the case, I just didn't get around to it.

It's the first time I've been a direct victim of crime, and as someone who has never locked my house except when on holiday, I guess it's a wake up call. Funny thing is, I've always locked my car and that is the first thing I've had pinched! I suppose at age 47 I've been quite lucky and do still trust that most people are essentially honest.
I don't buy into the idea that criminals are some sort of poor, hard done by souls who really need our sympathy and help. I've often struggled financially, but would never dream of taking another persons belongings. I suppose those bought up by parents who themselves steal may lack moral training, but they still know it is wrong. Greed is the motivation for most crime in this country, not desparation or need.
I doubt I'll get the car or contents back (though I live in hope). It appears to be linked to a major theft of BT cableing in the area. The police suspect my Landrover Discovery was taken as they managed to get their (stolen from Sussex) 4X4 stuck in a field and went on the hunt in a second vehicle. Unless they get mine stuck in a similar way, I bet they'll get rid of it in the form of "spares" or something. If it had been local joy riders, I'd be more hopeful. Still, you never know.

SS

[airpolice]

How about you read my post again!

I'm not saying it's the OPs fault the stuff got nicked, I'm saying it's his fault he has lost the information!

The ****ers who took his car deserve to have their eyes poked out as that will stop them stealing any more cars.

However, the fact is, the OP had not taken any precautions to look after his important data. He's now in the same boat he would be in if he had lost the book rather than having had it stolen.

If something is important, you need to have more than one copy. I copy the pictures from my phone (I take a lot) every week into my PC which gets backed up at least once a week onto an external hard drive which lives in a different building to the PC.

I make a point of photographing the tech log after flying. I use the tech log photo when I get home, to write up the logbook if I don't do it at the airfield.

My PC contains photo's of our passports and house insurance details as well as other info that I wouldn't want to be deprived of by theft, fire or flood.


A friend recently brought me a laptop to look at, the hard drive having failed. He was upset, as was his wife, as all the pictures of their two kids, (both under three years old) were on that laptop and not backed up to anything.

The good news is that recovery has "only" cost him £480 for Seagate to repair the hard drive and £50 for a portable hard drive from Argos. He now has two copies on DVD as well as the pictures in the laptop and the external drive. He could easily have been in more trouble if the drive had not been repairable.

It only takes a couple of seconds to photograph a page with your phone, do it today and keep the digital photo's somewhere safe.

[fatmanmedia]

for pace and anyone else that wants to know where affidavit comes from.

this has been shamelessly copied from wikipedia

An affidavit (pron.: / (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English)ˌ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)æ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)f (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɨ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ˈ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)d (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)eɪ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)v (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)ɨ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)t (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key)/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English) A-fə-DAY-vət (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pronunciation_respelling_key)) is a written sworn statement of fact (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath) voluntarily made by an affiant or deponent under an oath or affirmation administered by a person authorized to do so by law. Such statement is witnessed as to the authenticity of the affiant's signature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature) by a taker of oaths, such as a notary public (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notary_public) or commissioner of oaths. The name is Medieval Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Latin) for he has declared upon oath. An affidavit is a type of verified statement or showing, or in other words, it contains a verification, meaning it is under oath or penalty of perjury, and this serves as evidence to its veracity and is required for court proceedings.


To obtain a declaration on a legal document, such as an application for voter registration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_registration), that the information provided by the applicant is truthful to the best of the applicant's knowledge. If, after signing such a declaration, the information is found to be deliberately untrue with the intent to deceive, the applicant may face perjury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury) charges.

Affidavits may be written in the first or third person, depending on who drafted the document. If in the first person, the document's component parts are:


a commencement which identifies the affiant of truth", [1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFFIDAVIT#cite_note-1) generally stating that everything is true, under penalty of perjury, fine, or imprisonment;
an attestation clause, usually a jurat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurat), at the end certifying the affiant made oath and the date; and
signatures of the author and witness.

If an affidavit is notarized or authenticated, it will also include a caption with a venue and title in reference to judicial proceedings. In some cases, an introductory clause, called a preamble, is added attesting that the affiant personally appeared before the authenticating authority.


BTW i'm dyslexic so it took me 20 mins to find the correct spelling of the word, hope this helps.

fats

[cct]

Thanks for saying how AFFIDAVIT is spelt not my AFI DAVID http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/evil.gif

Where does it come from?from Medieval Latin, literally: he declares on oath, from affīdare to trust (oneself) to; see affiance

[shortstripper]

I'm not saying it's the OPs fault the stuff got nicked, I'm saying it's his fault he has lost the information!

Not quite what you said though is it? It was ....

It's not their fault that you don't have your logbook. You left it in the car and you didn't have a safety copy.

It is their fault I don't have it. If they hadn't pinched my car, I'd still have it.

I was daft not to have made copies, and I've learnt a hard lesson. However well intentioned, you do come over as a little patronising though.

SS

[Silvaire1]

That's why there are still some places on this earth where people can go out and leave their houses unlocked and keys in the ignition, because potential scrotes know the risk reward ratio is not in their favour, unlike here, where the victim is pilloried for daring to have things worth stealing.

I believe that is correct. Fear of immediate consequences is the greatest demotivator for property crime, the kind of crime that affects the average guy the most. How that fear is instilled takes different forms depending on the culture, but its clear to me that sympathizing with thieves (and/or envying their victims) does not work for the common good.

Property crime victims statistics - Countries compared - NationMaster (http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pro_cri_vic-crime-property-victims)

Very sorry to hear about the stolen logbook. At the moment an (exceedingly trustworthy) A&P mechanic has my aircraft logbooks. He'll only have them about 12 hrs but it makes me nervous.

[airpolice]

Patronising or not, please tell me you have changed all of the locks that they now have keys for.

[Jonzarno]

Of course the poor, underprivileged little mites who stole the car and logbook are the misunderstood victims of an unfair society and should be treated with kindness and nurtured to help them see the error of their ways and become better people as a result.

I am sure that the same enlightened philosophy would obviously apply to anyone that caught the little bar stewards and beat the c**p out of them.

Yeah, right!.... :p

[airpolice]

Jonzarno, by the time they have made it to car stealing they are past help. Just poking their eyes out is all that will work on them.

Why not bring back hanging, what loss to society would the ****ers be?

[airpolice]

Traditional photocopiers take ages, open the book, lay it down on the glass, align the page, close the lid partly) and then press the button and wait a few seconds for the sweep and then do the next one. All you have then is another paper based book to lose.

With a camera phone or digi camera, just point, click, turn the page, point, click, turn the page etc.

@ 2 seconds a page how long do you suppose it will take, and if something happened to them, would it still seem like a long time?

[Jonzarno]

Why not bring back hanging, what loss to society would the ****ers be?

You said it, not me....... :p

[airpolice]

With more than 2,500 views and 38 replies in just over two days, I wonder how many people have copied their logbooks as a result of this thread.

[airpolice]

daysleeper wrote:
Local radio, (small) reward for safe return of logbook no questions asked. It has no value to anyone but you.

Worked for a mate of mine when his bag was nicked in coventry.

Problem you have is if the car was taken as a getaway from a botched crime then they've probably torched it.

It has no value to anyone but you.

If only that were true. The OP states his Licence was in the car as well. A pretty good haul as a bonus for the car thief if they find it before abandoning the car. There will be some folk out there prepared to pay for such a history.

Turn up at an airfield in possession of the licence and log books, do a quick handling test and you can be renting anything from them.

Obviously it's not going to work in the local area as the name will be known, but further afield......

The original post about this was on Friday, the car should have turned up by now.

[Crash one]

A few years ago a friend of mine had some trouble with pikeys. They killed his dog in the process of attempting to recover the cost of some horticultural products.
He advised the police of his intentions if they should return with ref to a 12 guage pump. The police, quite rightly, advised him to use his car instead.
The pikeys did return, my friend did not follow the advice. Two pikeys were taken to intensive care & the other two required some minor surgery as they were a little further down range. They did not return after their recovery. My friend was fined for illegal possession.
Sometimes there is a happy ending.

[G-OE]

How about you read my post again!

I'm not saying it's the OPs fault the stuff got nicked, I'm saying it's his fault he has lost the information!

The ****ers who took his car deserve to have their eyes poked out as that will stop them stealing any more cars.

However, the fact is, the OP had not taken any precautions to look after his important data. He's now in the same boat he would be in if he had lost the book rather than having had it stolen.

If something is important, you need to have more than one copy. I copy the pictures from my phone (I take a lot) every week into my PC which gets backed up at least once a week onto an external hard drive which lives in a different building to the PC.

I make a point of photographing the tech log after flying. I use the tech log photo when I get home, to write up the logbook if I don't do it at the airfield.

My PC contains photo's of our passports and house insurance details as well as other info that I wouldn't want to be deprived of by theft, fire or flood.


A friend recently brought me a laptop to look at, the hard drive having failed. He was upset, as was his wife, as all the pictures of their two kids, (both under three years old) were on that laptop and not backed up to anything.

The good news is that recovery has "only" cost him £480 for Seagate to repair the hard drive and £50 for a portable hard drive from Argos. He now has two copies on DVD as well as the pictures in the laptop and the external drive. He could easily have been in more trouble if the drive had not been repairable.

It only takes a couple of seconds to photograph a page with your phone, do it today and keep the digital photo's somewhere safe.


Digging yourself deeper mate. I would stop now.

[shortstripper]

Patronising or not, please tell me you have changed all of the locks that they now have keys for.

The one lucky thing about my never locking my house is that I don't carry a house key. So there wasn't one with my car keys. I'll probably lock the house for a while and maybe the habit will stick?

Nothing from the police about finding the car yet.

[blind pew]

Watched a police chopper lift off doing a medivac after a paragliding/hanglider collision in Wales.
Looked to me that he deliberately flew at a skylark 4 glider ridge soaring.
Chopper returned to the hill to get some kit left behind and nearly took out three paragliders because of his ignorance and stupidity.
CAA cautioned the glider pilot re prosecuttion for breaking the 500ft rule.
Supported the police chopper!
Morons.
I managed to help stop a malicious prosecutive but since then and an illegal intercept on a Paramotor pilot I have wondered where they found such clowns.
Just off to photocopy my Lidl reciepts incase my fish curry has horse in it and someone steals my wallet.

[Jonzarno]

Watched a police chopper lift off doing a medivac after a paragliding/hanglider collision in Wales.
Looked to me that he deliberately flew at a skylark 4 glider ridge soaring.
Chopper returned to the hill to get some kit left behind and nearly took out three paragliders because of his ignorance and stupidity.
CAA cautioned the glider pilot re prosecuttion for breaking the 500ft rule.
Supported the police chopper!
Morons.
I managed to help stop a malicious prosecutive but since then and an illegal intercept on a Paramotor pilot I have wondered where they found such clowns.
Just off to photocopy my Lidl reciepts incase my fish curry has horse in it and someone steals my wallet.



Have you posted this to the right thread? :confused:

[RatherBeFlying]

With two teenagers once in the house, both sets of cars keys were always in my pocket.

Where there's equipment used by a number of people, the safest option is to issue a key to each operator.

A securely fastened locked key box is a less secure alternative, but far better than an open line of hooks on the wall. Any lock only buys time, but likely the scrotes would not have the 15 minutes or so it would take to get to get into a locked key box with blunt instruments.

Do make sure the angle grinder is not left lying about nearby:E

[Steve6443]

With more than 2,500 views and 38 replies in just over two days, I wonder how many people have copied their logbooks as a result of this thread.

Probably none, the number of views can possibly be explained by people wanting to see for themselves what a patronising "arschloch" is - excuse my German. I can never understand why, when someone has something stolen, there is ALWAYS someone there saying that the victim is, in some proportion or other, responsible for his loss.

Is is coincidental that those blaming the victim for his loss are usually the muppets who look for any excuse to avoid punishing the criminal in order to demonstrate their "liberal enlightenment".

If real punishment was in place - a trip down a darkened alley where our tea leaf accidentally and repeatedly "walked" into a lamp post, for example, then we would have fewer of these antisocial people out looking to steal our stuff.

Concerning backups - what happens if the car is stolen and a meteorite lands on his house, destroying the back-up before he can use it to prove that his logbook is correct? Is it then his fault? According to you, possibly, because he didn't take into consideration that his house was hit by a meteorite around the same time his car was stolen..... :ugh:

Obviously this reasoning can be carried on ad absurdum - for example, with backups held (e.g.) on the space station to avoid any nuclear devastation caused by world war 3 - but at the end of the day - no thief, then the thread starter still has his logbook....

[Jonzarno]

Sorry to be picky but "arschloch" is a noun and, as such, in German, should correctly be capitalised and thus spelled: "Arschloch".

Es ändert sich aber wenig in der Bedeutung! :8

[Pitts2112]

It's a bit late now but I used to do a pre-digital age backup of my logbook.

Photocopy each page as it's completed, keep the copy in a drawer at home.

[abgd]

I shall photograph my logbook tonight, which isn't to say that I blame the OP for not having done so - obviously until now, I haven't either.

[peterh337]

The problem is that your plane could be all but worthless without its logbooks.

In one case I know, involving a sale to a person in a different country, it is totally worthless, because the number of cycles on certain parts cannot be determined, and this will block a registry transfer.

All the owner can hope for is to break it for scrap, or keep running it with the same one or more maintenance company that doesn't ask any questions and is prepared to forge records involving life limit checks.

[Crash one]

Do keep up Peter,:D He means his Pilot log book, not the aircraft.

[shortstripper]

Had the insurance interview this morning. When they asked what was in the car I told them. They don't cover loss of documents (I expected that). When I told them I'd also had a PDA in the car they asked where? "In the closed cubby box between the seats" I replied. "Oh that won't be covered then as it has to be in the boot or glove box" .......... Grrrrrrrr!!!!! The whole bloody car was nicked and the fact that it was in one box rather than another seems daft. Even if it had been a case of the car being broken into, surely if the item was out of sight it should be covered? So be warned, even though many larger cars have between the seats cubby boxes; Items in them will not be covered!

:mad:

[stickandrudderman]

Don't let them fob you off that easily.
Check the Ts & Cs in your policy to see if they make this clear and also to see if they define "glove box". After all, the cubby hole in the centre console is in fact where you keep your gloves isn't it?

[cockney steve]

ISTR you saying that this "car" was a LLandrover...in which case, the "glovebox" is just a bit of a shelf on the dashboard.

I'm pretty sure the motor Insurer's bureau (not sure if that's correct!) who cover uninsured "hit and run" losses, among other stuff, would be interested in that excuse...also Office of Fair Trading....you put your PDA in a closed compartment...so let the buggers define "Glovebox" and how can they issue a policy for the vehicle ,not knowing or understanding their risk?....they can't, so therefore, they know there was no "dashboard-integrated lockable compartment" or however they might define it.

Unfair contract-term....dig your heels in, threaten court action to recover a REALISTIC sum and , if necessary issue a plaint .

Their job is to screw you down as low as they can,-yours, obviously, to get as much as you can. stand your ground for a fair and reasonable payout. been there,as a Motor-trader and as a private punter,both for myself and for customers. Also be aware your policy may contain "sections" which each identify and insure a part of the overall risk, in which case, accept the fair ones and dispute the contentious....nowadays, they cannot hold the lot until you accept the total package...IIRC, at 8 weeks the loss is "permanent" and they have to PAY.....NOT start negotiating!

Some insurance co's are a lot better than others in this respect.

[RatherBeFlying]

Here in North America, the auto policy only covers the car and accessories (stuff bolted on).

Personal property can be claimed under your homeowner or tenant property policy.

[patowalker]

A boot in a Land Rover? In mine there was only an open space between the rear door and the back seats.

[la4180]

Def don't let them away with saying that things aren't covered. Ask for the exact term in the policy that defines why something isn't covered. An insurance expert may even manage to get the costs covered for a CAA examiner for a flight test to start a new log. Get replacement quotes for your vehicle from reputable mainstream dealers- otherwise you'll only get a pittance based on some fictional "book value". Insist that your real world book value is more up to date than their assessment.