Stuck on IMC VOR question

[PompeyPaul]

21) Your VOR (shown below) is correctly tuned with the OBS set at 150, your desired track. If the variation is 4 degrees west, what is the true bearing from the VOR to your current position?

http://li31-110.members.linode.com/VOR-AT4L-150.gif

A 152
B 326
C 146
D 322
You chose B, but the correct answer was D.

I kept ending up with 324 degrees and worked through it several times but it still came back wrong. Where is my mistake?

1. I am wanting to go 150 to the VOR but I am to the right (needle is left so telling me to go left) which means I am 148
2. Because we want to be FROM the vor I add 180 = 328
3. Variation east, compass least. Variation west, compass best = 328M is 324T which is not correct

[peterh337]

Nobody flies true bearings :)

(sorry I can't help).

[Captain Smithy]

I also got the same as you did Paul.

150 TO = 330 FROM. 1 dot deflection left = 2 degrees left, so 148 TO (328 FROM). Subtract Mag Variation to convert to True = 324 Deg T. :bored: Am I doing something daft?

Perhaps an instructor or Instrument Ace can enlighten thicko Smithy?

[PompeyPaul]

1 dot = 2Deg on VOR & 0.5Deg on ILS

[enq]

Does the answer lie in the image? - I recall seeing a VOR OBS question where the first "dot" was actually the outer radius of the centre circle so that the first actual dot represented 4 Deg off - if this is the case with your Q then your reasoning as applied becomes 150 - <4> +180 = 326M less 4 = 322T

Any help?

[Nibbler]

I think I had exactly the same question in my exam recently and got it wrong as well.

Could the answer be that the picture is missing the first (inner) dot

I might add the same paper which asked a question about RIS and RAS :ugh:

[PompeyPaul]

I've posted the picture now in the original question

[peterh337]

That looks like a 4 degree deviation to me.

The little circle is 2 degrees.

Very confusing though.

[enq]

Yep, that's the one wot I said.

Never accuse the CAA of failure to obfuscate.

Regards, enq.

[PompeyPaul]

I still don't understand why it's 4 degree deviation though. Although that DOES make the answer work.

[peterh337]

As Mad Jock would say this is what separates the real pilots from

http://www.profimedia.com/photo/back-end-of-a-sheep-walking-along/profimedia-0051854492.jpg

Disclaimer: I would not have known how to work this out. Nobody flies with true bearings (in Europe).

[neilr]

full deviation is 10 degrees - so in this case inner circle must represent 2 degs

[peterh337]

This stuff should not be examined like that. It is appalling.

This

http://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/sn3500/ki-525-2.jpg

is fairly obvious. Obvious 2 degree divisions 0 2 4 6 8 10 degs.

But what about this

http://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/sn3500/p2-view.jpg

The first dot is "half scale" and if you reach that on an ILS you go around.

[Talkdownman]

The circle represents +/- 2 degrees (total 4 degrees) course deviation. The left or right circumference of the circle represents 1 dot = 2 degrees.
In the diagram the QDM is displaced 4 degrees from the required track therefore the QDM is 146M.
The QDR is therefore 326M
Applying the Magnetic Variation of 4W the QTE is therefore 322T = Answer D.

Modern CDIs display simply 5 dots either side of centre.
At 2 degrees per dot the full scale deflection is at the 5th dot = 10 degrees.
Beyond that fifth dot Course Deviation is not measurable.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Disclaimer: I would not have known how to work this out. Nobody flies with true bearings (in Europe)

So did you not finally pass your JAA IR?

And without true track, how do you work out your quadrantal or semicircular rule altitude?

G

[PompeyPaul]

The left or right circumference of the circle represents 1 dot = 2 degrees.
In the diagram the QDM is displaced 4 degrees from the required track
Thanks, I'm obviously thick though. It looks like the needle is displaced by one dot to me, therefore it's 2 degrees off? I don't understand why it's 4 degrees off of track? Surely that should be 2 dots off? :O

[madlandrover]

The circle encompasses 4 degrees of deviation - 2 left, 2 right. So the needle has deviated by the circle (2 degrees off-centre) and it's also hovering over a single dot (a further 2 degrees).

[PompeyPaul]

Thanks, I get it! The inner circle is a dot itself, plus another dot as well. Damn, crafty bar stewards!

[Cobalt]

And without true track, how do you work out your quadrantal or semicircular rule altitude?

1) On magnetic track, as same as everybody else, since the quadrantal / semicircular rules are based on magnetic tracks

2) For en-route airways, you plan the directions the airways chart or Eurocontol allow. You fly what ATC clears you to. Only outside controlled airspace quadrantals are realy relevant.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Ooops, so we do.

G

[Johnm]

Who thinks up this drivel and puts it in questions for an exam. I've got an IR and the theory and related exams were less use than a chocolate fireguard. I had to learn all about IFR flying from the web after I got the rating!

[Cusco]

The diagram is showing CDI on 2 dots not one(the centre circle on VOR dial is one dot) =4 degrees Variation 4 degrees W =8 degrees , add both subtract from 330 = 322 = answer D

Simples

[Johnm]

I'm still not sure I see the point of this and why anyone would waste time working it out in the air. In practice you'd just twiddle the knob until the needle centred and then read the bearing off the bottom of the dial. Then retwiddle to the radial you wanted ( 150 TO in this case) and then fly left until the needle centred and then track the radial.:ugh:

[PompeyPaul]

Yep,

But as we all know with flying it's about jumping through the hoops and then learning properly afterwards.

Despite cramming Air Law, and working out what coloured flare I should shoot at a tower, in response to a green flare being shot at me I've never shot a flare from an aircraft (first ever Flyby shooting?!)

In fact, I would be more than a little bit alarmed if somebody started loading a flare gun, in the passenger seat, and started talking about shooting it from the PA28! :eek:

[Slopey]

At least the AirQuiz VOR and NDB questions don't seem to come up to the same extent/format in the IMC Confuser. I'm going to have a bash at the IMC exam next week, so I await with baited breath.