BBC report a light aircraft has crashed near Shobdon airfield.

Microlight Aircraft Crashes In Herefordshire Killing Two Men | UK News | Sky News (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Microlight-Aircraft-Crashes-In-Herefordshire-Killing-Two-Men/Article/200904115255895?f=rss)

I fly from Shobdon but am at home at the moment. I do not mean this to sound selfish as it is dreadful for the families of the deceased, but I really hope they aren't two of the people I know .

Really not been a good year so far for aviation has it! :(

BBC link here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hereford/worcs/7983935.stm)

Really not been a good year so far for aviation has it!
People say that every year, and at the end of every year it turns out to be no worse than the year before.

People say that every year, and at the end of every year it turns out to be no worse than the year before.

Good point.

Terrible news. DX- if it helps, I understand the a/c and pilots involved were not based at Shobdon, but can't elaborate at this stage.

An interesting paradox; the "picture" isn't narrowed down to save the worries of nearest and dearest while the rest of us, with just the "big picture", worry like buggery!

If anyone has information about the aircraft type Iwould be most grateful to know. Many thanks, bm

Thank you very much Mariner that's all the information I need and it does help.* Still dreadful for the families involved.
*It was a year to the day that Gary Key, whom I knew from my days as a student at HGFC, flew into Cairn Gorm - the memory of discovering that bit of information is still fresh in my mind.

I too would be very interested in the aircraft type (PM would be fine).

Thanks,
Rod1

Please refer to date,time and not just location of any incident you post on as this is causing multible posts.

A bit more here

BBC NEWS | England | Hereford/Worcs | Two killed in microlight crash (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hereford/worcs/7983935.stm)

Says they came from Gloucestershire.

Trickii, your tone is really quite offensive. Don't blame everyone else for your being unable / too bone idle to check the thread which must have been at the top of the page when you started your new one at 12:44 today. It was the third one down when I posted at 13:45ish so I fail to understand why you apparently couldn't see it / be bothered to check it. That's what caused the multiple posting. Most people with half a grain of commonsense would have:
A) Assumed that a new thread referred to an occurence on the date of the thread unless stated otherwise
B) Taken the trouble to check and
C) Had the grace to accept that the fault lay with him / her self not everyone else.

...according to BBC news 7th April. Tragedy. bm

Trickii, your tone is really quite offensive. Don't blame everyone else for your being unable / too bone idle to check the thread which must have been at the top of the page when you started your new one at 12:44 today. It was the third............etc....
I do see Trickii's point. I have noticed that threads about accidents, often years old are reveived from time to time. If this thread is revived in 2 years when the AAIB report comes out there will be a post at the top of the posts titled "Shobdon light aircraft down." and everyone will be thinking "oh sh*t" again. It often takes a bit of reading to figure out the post is 2 years old....

It often takes a bit of reading to figure out the post is 2 years old....


Not if you check the date!

Names now released on BBC.

Mark and Rex were well-known to me, and Mark in particular introduced me to the local flying crowd at Eastbach Spence when we moved to Gloucestershire 2 years back. Great guys, good pilots both and meticulous and careful in their approach to flying. I still can't believe that we've lost them.

RIP

Aircraft type was an Escapade Jabiru

A message was posted on this site claiming to be offended by my post.However the gentlemen was refering to a very valuable observation which referred to disclose of accuate information to prevent accidents both in the air and on the ground (or websites).This is a no brainer in this saftey concious industry.I note that even after this post there was multiple posts on another inccident.If this vagueness happened or is happening at airtraffic control level it could end in serious concequences.Perhaps this will be the case in future.

Referring to your comments about not been able to see posts, this is irrelevent if the information on the posts are vague.However what is soo offensive is that I am disabled and partially sighted (whitestick) after been assaulted in November 07.You are aware that discrimination on this site or any other site against those with disabilities is an criminal offense ? By way of an apology I would ask you to donate to the families conserned or take me for a short flight when I am in the cafe next.

You certainly brought a halt to any further discussion with the discrimination allegation trickii !

I have read the thread through a few times and can see no basis for your accusations, maybe it should be you making the apology.

Are you typing your complaint in braile then?

Personally I find you trying to pull the old discrimination trick as a sad example as why our society has become so sick. You should be ashamed off yourself.

I didn't have a clue about was trickii was saying. Having read the thread again I can only conclude that his second paragraph is meant as a joke. If it's not then I'm with Bose!

Getting back to the thread ...

I don't think I knew these genetlemen but I know others at Eastbach (Spense field). It is a wonderful airfield and I get the idea everyone pulls their weight to make it so. It must therefore be a sad place at the moment. I wonder what led to this tragedy?

So trickii let me get this right.

You get a free flight and any discrimination charges will be dropped?

Just asking because in the Uk at least, I think that may be frowned down upon as well, not that it applies to your post at all, but please do google "demands with menaces".

Just to add

refering= referring
accuate = accurate
saftey= safety
concious= conscious
inccident= incident
offense= offence
conserned = concerned

Wonder why trickii got assulted?

Wonder why trickii got assulted?

trickii question that!

I have been extremely busy over the past few days so have had little time to post a reply. A message was posted on this site claiming to be offended by my post.However the gentlemen was refering to a very valuable observation which referred to disclose of accuate information to prevent accidents both in the air and on the ground (or websites).Having eventually worked my way through your appalling grasp of the English language I hope I have managed to grasp what you are trying to say. Disclosure of accurate information regarding aviation accidents is NOT dependent on the date or time of any post in PPRuNe, it is, quite simply, the sole duty and province of the AAIB.I note that even after this post there was multiple posts on another inccident. Thus it shall ever be in spite of everyone's best attempts to prevent this there will always be those who, for whatever reason, decide they want to start their own thread on a subject. Most usually accept that they have made an error and don't try to justify their mistake by trying to blame others.If this vagueness happened or is happening at airtraffic control level it could end in serious concequences.Shobdon does not have Air Traafic Control. During the week it is Air-Ground when an operator is available and at weekends (and usually Bank Holidays too) it has a FISO service until about 15:30 hrs when it reverts to Air-Ground. When none of the are avaiable it is up to the individual pilots to keep Shobdon Traffic informed of their position and intentions.If this vagueness happened or is happening at airtraffic control level it could end in serious concequences.Perhaps this will be the case in future.(Highlighting is mine) I certainly hope this will never be the case.

Referring to your comments about not been able to see posts, this is irrelevent if the information on the posts are vague.Initial information following any aviation incident is frequently vague but improves as further details are released.However what is soo offensive is that I am disabled and partially sighted (whitestick) You may have a fully functioning crystal ball, I, unfortunately do not. There is nothing in any of your previous posts on this thread to indicate this.You are aware that discrimination on this site or any other site against those with disabilities is an criminal offense ? As others have pointed out to you, there is no evidence of discrimination. By way of an apology I have no intention of apologising for something which I have not done. I do, however, expect you to issue a full and frank apology and retraction of your accusation of discrimination on my part. Failure to do so will have consequences as I am determined to defend to the utmost my good name and reputation, even, should it be necessary in Court. That is not a threat, it is a simple statement of fact.take me for a short flight when I am in the cafe next.When I first saw that I could not believe what I was reading. I do not yield to bullying in the form of emotional blackmail, which is how this appeared to be me. It also crossed my mind that obtaining a free flight was your original intention. That may not be so, but it is how it appeared to me. Suffice to say, you will NOT be getting that flight. There are others who I consider far more worthy of one and, as last year, I shall be flying one of them to Project Propeller so I save up in order to be able to give one of them a flight. As a retired person I have very limited resources but these gentlemen have my greatest respect and heartfelt thanks for what they did and the fact that as a result of their actions I am alive today. Will anyone be able to say that of you when you are gone?

Think he's gone already DX :E

Check out the other posts by Trickii.... not worth spending time or energy or emotions on.....

Sad case to say the least

My friends are very amused at the post from wombat....I think I won the bet on this one..

The comments were going around the table were:

Did this guy read anything?

Totesterone over common sense

Does not want to learn from anyone

Very funny guy...!!!

Hi bud ....leave this alone this trickii guy nailed you to the floor hands down.

I think I won the bet on this one..

Are you winning the bet for winding people up?

DX Wombat,

Great post, great answer, bravo. :D:D:D:D:D

And trickii, cut out the testosterone crap, DX Wombat is female. Whaddya mean you didn't know; don't you have a crystal ball?

This thread relates to a fatal crash. Two members of the flying community are dead. Their families and friends are grieving. Other fliers are wondering what went wrong.

The thread gets hi-jacked and becomes a vehicle for social inadequates and their puerile ranting.

Isn't this just typical of pprune?

It's very interesting how people get distracted from the point. Two more people have died, sadly, and again I would dare to point out that a particular thread relating to a "specific incident" should deal with facts relating to it, and not speculation or personal arguments! Just my personal opinion of course, (and it does seem that I am outnumbered), people like to speculate and make accusations, even before the smallest of facts are out. They then say, that by dealing in speculation, and not waiting for anything factual, that this will make their flying safer! I am frankly gobsmacked!
Perhaps I am sadly amongst the few that likes to deal in facts, and has an open mind until they become available.
I would remind all (in my minority opinion anyway), that whilst speculation is fine, and we all have our own opinions and theories, we should open specific threads to deal with those topics. It can be very dangerous and hurtful to the families and friends of those concerned to speculate, or make accusations, when people who know very little about the actual facts, start throwing in their two pence worth.

As this clearly seems to be the case on these forums, and for those peoples benefit, sadly however, I shall throw my two (three) pence worth in to keep the sad majority of you happy;

1. I find it interesting to note the same old names trundling around, particularly the accident posts, these same people carry bricks and stones and old tyres, like some angry mob in a South African township, just looking for someone to beat and blame. If they cant find the criminal (pilot), they will just pick on someone from the crowd(atc), I expect?
2. I am having a dig at one particular individual (well it does seem the done thing on PP), and am frankly surprised that same person has not yet made allegations as to the probable cause of this sad event. Come on we are waiting? He posted on the Hampshire thread within hours of the event blaming the pilot for an obvious case of CFIT, then citing in his defence the fact that the NTSB say that 80% are pilot errors?!:rolleyes:
3. Well in that case, as he is obviously more talented at flying than I can ever hope to be, and he knows it all, this one too must be pilot error, case closed, next????????:=

My thoughts are again with the families, friends and loved ones left behind, and I look forward to debating the true facts relating to this event, to make my flying safer, as and when they become available