Thomas Cook

[BRAKES HOT]

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Most of the cabin crew have got little heart for this ballot. It's crazy at a time like this given the last years financial turmoil. I suspect it's driven by a small minority or that indeed unite have got their own agenda.....

[4567]

Does anyone know when the 753's are supposed to be heading down from GLA to LGW i believe? Heard they were suppsoed to be coming down before heading back to GLA to help out with the holidays starting.
Im guessing some 752's will be sent up to replace them anyway?

[BRAKES HOT]

Has any more information arisen from the proposed TCX cabin crew strike ?
I read somewhere that the strike ballot was open from the 11th June until the 9th July. Any more info ?
Just me being curious, got two holidays with TC coming up in the next month, so dont exactly want to see them strike !

Latest is that the vote has gone against strike action :ok:

[flying phil 2007]

11 July 2012 Squawk 7700 (general emergency). G-TCCB (Thomas Cook Airlines B763)
Looks like the MAN to PALMA flight turned back over northern France and diverted into Gatwick last night.
any info?
update: can now answer my own question. . :\
Mid-air drama: Thomas Cook flight from Manchester to Tunisia forced to make emergency landing as smoke fills cabin
A spokesman for Thomas Cook Airlines today confirmed a 'small amount of smoke entering the cabin' and also that the jet made an emergency landing at Gatwick 'as a precaution'.
It meant the aircraft landed as normal although the emergency services were placed on alert.
"The safety of our passengers and crew is paramount and the situation was handled without problems," said the spokesman.
The airline said it could not accommodate the passengers in hotels due to combination of other delays caused by the weather as well as the late arrival and early departure of the Manchester passengers.
The spokesman continued: "Following a minor problem with an on board chiller unit, we brought the Manchester to Enfidha (Tunisia) flight into Gatwick to be fixed and tested and we are pleased that our holidaymakers are now on their way to Tunisia. We'd like to thank our passengers for their patience and understanding."

Mid-air drama: Thomas Cook flight from Manchester to Tunisia forced to make emergency landing as smoke fills cabin | Manchester Evening News - menmedia.co.uk (http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1583302_mid-air-drama-thomas-cook-flight-from-manchester-to-tunisia-forced-to-make-emergency-landing-as-smoke-fills-cabin?rss=yes&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

[GLENO]

TCX2625 SSH-MAN Was due back from SSH last night at 23.25hrs, Now showing on MAN arrivals next information 1600hrs.....
Any idea what the problem is? G-TCBB 757 operated the outbound yesterday am .

Thanks in Advance.

[janeyTA]

Tech prob as far as I know. An engineer, complete with parts, has flown out this morning from Gatwick on another TCX flight.

[APS11]

Does anyone know why TCX3228 (Glasgow - Corfu) was an hour and 45 minutes late in departing this morning?

[CabinCrewe]

Oh jeez if we had a post ever time a plane was less that 2 hours late we'd be here for weeks....

[Severn]

I realise it is a long way off, but as the flights appear in the TCX booking engine i'd thought I'd have a look at a week in June next year and compare it to the same week this year and it came up with some interesting results.

BASES (Shorthall)

LBA - doesn't seem to be any flights or based aircraft.
STN - 1 x A320
CWL - 1 x A320
BRS - 1 x A320 (1 less A320 than 2012)
BFS - 1 x A321
EMA - 2 x A321
BHX - 2 x B752 (1 less B752 than 2012)
NCL - 2 x B752, 1 x A320 (1 less A320 than 2012 (2nd based A320 in 2012 leased from SmartLynx))
GLA - 2 x B753, 1 x B752 (1 less B752 than 2012)
LGW - 1 x A332, 3 x B752, 2 x A320 (2 less B752 than 2012, 2 more A320 than 2012)
MAN - 3 x B76W, 3 x B752 (1 less A332 used for SH, 1 less A321, 2 less B752 (not sure about spare a/c) than 2012, 1 more B76W than 2012.

When all destinations are looked at for each departure airport, the schedule actually works for every airport with hardly any gaps in nearly all the bases so although a long way off I would have thought it relatively accurate.

If that is the case then the fleet would look something like this in Summer 2013:
6 x A320 (same as 2012, not counting leased SmartLynx A320)
3 x A321 (1 less than 2012)
11 x B752 (5 less than 2012 - although there maybe a number of spare aircraft not counted in the 2013 schedule)
2 x B753 (no change)
3 x B76W (no change, 1 B76W leased to Condor in 2012)
1 x A332 used for SH (2 used in 2012)

[beardy]

Brilliant,

Now would you like to tell the airline and tour operator because they haven't finalised, so can't yet publish, their plans.

[NEastMidlands]

There can't be 3 x B767 if one is at Condor, unless there is one more coming in.

[goldeneye]

I have a feeling LBA will no longer be in the TCX flying programme. If TCTO offer LBA i think there is a very good chance it will be allocation on the ZB or LS flights rather than a whole aircraft. TCTO seem to be doing this more and more now.

[caaardiff]

If BRS drops to 1 aircraft it means going from 29 flights per week to 15, dropping REU, AYT, RHO, FAO, JSI, KGS and PFO completely!

[AirGuru]

As we know this is probably a result of the company's ponderous financial situation, in which they announced last year that some aircraft were to be sold or returned to the lessor, but i had no idea that it meant this scale !

[Torque2]

Would you forever get a grip! What a lot of bo!!@ks spouted over absolutely just a tentative partially formed theory! :ugh:

[beardy]

Just leave them to it, they so obviously know more from their divinations.

[IrishFlyer2013]

There can't be 3 x B767 if one is at Condor, unless there is one more coming in.

1 B763 was leased to Condor last December for 14 months. This will return for S13 and make up the 3 B763 that are needed.

[NEastMidlands]

I thought the plan was for another B767 to condor.

[IrishFlyer2013]

1 763 is due to go to Condor at the end of the year. S13 is a while a way yet so the schedule could change.

[NEastMidlands]

or they could get an ex TOM one

[IrishFlyer2013]

3 B763's are leaving the Thomson fleet during W12-13 so it's possible.

[NEastMidlands]

Although the only two which could actually be viable for TCX are OOAN/OBYD as they have the capacity for high floor weight.

[OntimeexceptACARS]

This afternoon Glasgow airport was closed for a short time following an emergency landing by a TCX B757. A PAN call made from the aircraft over the North Sea, and the aircraft descended rapidly to FL140. Following landing at around 17:15L, the aircraft remained on the runway and a couple of inbounds diverted. Information passed over the radio locally suggested a hydraulic issue.

[CabinCrewe]

Those 757s are hard worked, and hard work to maintain by all accounts particularly the 757-300's. Nice brand new A321's please..

[Mr @ Spotty M]

You might have a long wait for them. :E

[CabinCrewe]

there are orders and deliveries pending are there not ?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

I think you will find it is Yes and No.

[LGS6753]

Travel Mole reports:

Thomas Cook has completed the sale and lease back of 19 aircraft raising more than $294million - £187million - to strengthen its financial position.


The move was first announced on 11 May 2012 and will be used to increase liquidity.


The operator announced the sale and leaseback of 11 Boeing 757 aircraft and 8 Boeing 767 aircraft is now complete following delivery of the final group of aircraft.

[mathers_wales_uk]

Article also found here - click to view (http://walesairforum.wordpress.com/2012/08/01/thomas-cook-completes-sale-of-aircraft/)

[walterthesofty]

By all accounts MON are doing some flying for TCX out of LBA next year as well as from a fair few other places

[TartinTon]

No MON units in LBA doing TCX flying....only ZB

[LGS6753]

What I believe is happening is that Thomas Cook (the tour operator) has block booked capacity on ZB services, including the new Leeds routes. This will help Monarch to establish its new routes, and means TCX (the airline) does not require to own/operate so many aircraft.

That sounds like win-win.

[sunshine79]

Thomas Cook Tour Operations flights are now on sale from LBA, using AB throughout the summer

[crackling jet]

What a/c will TCX be operating out of Cardiff for summer 2013 ?.

[planenut321]

1 A320 will be based at CWL. There will be no W patterns this year. There is also 1 ad-hoc charter to SFB on the 24th March. And OHY will be operating an A321 to DLM on behalf of TCX on a Friday evening.

[anthbower1234]

Hi all due out of NCL 29/8/12 to SSH and did so back in May 2012 having checked online is it correct that IFE has been re activated in June 2012 on the 757 fleet:confused:?

[anthbower1234]

any help anyone???

[goldeneye]

The IFE is available on some but not all of the 757 fleet. So it's pot luck if you will have it.

[StevieW]

Anybody know why TCX134 (LGW-HOG) has returned to Gatwick tonight, almost 9 hours after it departed LGW this afternoon? Seems rather odd, and certainly frustrating for the passengers, to return when it would be just as quick to carry on to Cuba.

A maintenance issue that needed to be sorted at base maybe, but it was able to continue in flight, at FL390, for four hours after turning around.

[TSR2]

Maybe the latest hurricane in the area was the reason for the return.

[sunshine79]

According to AV Herald, it was losing hydraulic fluid then the hydraulic system failed.

[Mr.Bloggs]

A 330 has 3 hydraulic systems

[MKY661]

Just to let anybody know that two Thomas Cook 757's will leave the fleet this winter (one has already been withdrawn). Probably the two A321's which are due in 2013 will replace them.

[Funderblaster]

Which one has been withdrawn ?! What is your source ?

[gonetech]

G-FCLC is currently undergoing maintenance prior to leaving the fleet.

[TCX69]

G-TCBA will also be leaving the fleet...

[MKY661]

Which one has been withdrawn ?! What is your source ?

Jethros & Planespotters.net. Hope this helps

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Which two A321s in 2013? :E

[MKY661]

Two are due in 2013 according to Jethros:
Thomas Cook Airlines (http://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/thomas_cook_airlines_uk.htm)

[Mr @ Spotty M]

May be or my be not.
Need someone from TCX to confirm, as my understand from previous press reports, lease a/c 2013, own order from Airbus 2014 onwards.
My understanding is lease a/c not coming for 2013.

[chuzwuza]

Mky661.

Perhaps it will be the ex- fca aircraft that you continually harp on about! I believe they are the only aircraft out there. (tongue in cheek).

[macdo]

You all need to stop casing your tails with the TCX fleet at the moment because they have not definitively decided on the su13 programme yet, let alone what airframes will fly it. Even the offering on the website is open to change as the new CEO decides on our futures. It appears we will not know anything until the decision making process is finished and the results are announced in November.

[charliemouse]

Would be no shock - a look at their share price is all you need...

http://www.iii.co.uk/reg-tools/graph.cgi?code=le:cotn:TCG.L&yearsback=1&time_step=1&linetype=line&width=610&height=400&rebase=on&buylines=on&triggers=on&

[BOAC]

Still on the board at LGW

[pennypitstop22]

as355f1:

One word - :mad:.
The article you link to is from 2009! Please do try to keep-up.
A couple of delays at Newcastle, that's all.

Mods-please remove this thread ASAP.

[fantom]

as355f1 (http://www.pprune.org/members/84006-as355f1)

Be careful.

You have quoted Manny who left more than a year ago.

You may be sued for that which you have written.

I hope you will be.

[as355f1]

Why was my Thomas Cook thread removed ??

[pennypitstop22]

Possibly because it was slander. :=

[Burpbot]

Seems a spate of threads been removed lately! Prune seems to censor these days free speech is no longer allowed! You watch this thred will likely disappear next :mad:

[HH6702]

Heard that on friday night a return flight to ncl was diverted to Manchester as the plane was needed for a tec aircraft at MAN.

Pax then coached upto NCL..

A 757 then came from MAN to NCL this morning to operate a flight late and since then they are trying to play catch up. I think that another of the ncl based plane the A320 has gone tech also.

So far we have had a 738 and the MD83 covering flights but looks like tomorrow isnt looking good too.....

[sam1993]

as355f1, I assure you we (Thomas Cook) have NOT gone bust.

Whilst a number of flights have unfortunately been delayed over the last couple of days due to weather related problems in Zakynthos on Thursday night / Friday morning, NO flights have been cancelled. We are working hard to get the schedules back on track as soon as possible and have leased in aircraft to operate several flights today in order to achieve this.

Please stop spreading false information about the company- information which merely seems to be based on the fact that a few flights are delayed today.

[BOAC]

information which merely seems to be based on the fact that a few flights are delayed today. - yes, obviously either malicious or a fool. Mmm just found this.. - and observant too - that news article was 2009................

Mods - how about a little holiday? You know it makes sense.

[sunshine79]

If Thomas Cook had gone under, it would be all over BBC News, Sky News and I would have been told directly as I work for the company. Do your research first as these slanders remarks put peoples livelihoods at risk

[Big Tudor]

Every TCX uk flight appears to be delayed.
It's just odd, if you don't like my suspicions then :mad: off
Not your suspicions we don't like, just the fact you have no idea what you are talking about.

[IB4138]

The 2 x 757s withdrawn from service last week, to go to FedEx didn't help.

[PPRuNe Pop]

Heads up please.

Unless you have factual information that is in the public domain you should not, and must not post your 'own' information based upon nothing. It can be very distressing for employees and servicing company's alike and is a no no on PPRuNe. Facts are all we are interested in.

Keep 'YOUR' facts to yourself unless you are prepared to back it up with known facts if it has NOT been already published. You will then be required to provide your own personal details, including name and address and your scource.

If, as above, it occurs again your priv's for using PPRuNe will be removed. One person has just been banned permanently together with his IP.

PPP

[sunshine79]

Thank you for posting the above Mods. It's bad enough that I work for TC in Bradford, knowing our jobs are going by New Year, nevermind people trying to say that the company has gone belly up when it's just one of those weekends where there are a lot of delays. All airlines go through this, even TOM, who can have bad weekends too.

[macdo]

Well done Mod. :ok:

This sort of bilge is bad enough when we really are in trouble, but when things are just, and I mean only just, starting to improve, it is very damaging for morale and potentially our finances.

[airsmiles]

It's pretty obvious to many in the business world that Thomas Cook are stumbling along okay for now and have funding in the place for the short-medium term. It's a question of waiting for the new CEO to decide the recovery strategy and implement the plan. Hopefully the worst is over and it's an upward trajectory from now on.

[Burpbot]

I agree "stirring" does nothing but upset people. Those in the know can usualy pick the rubbish out.

But pprune pop, "Keep 'YOUR' facts to yourself unless you are prepared to back it up with known facts if it has NOT been already published. You will then be required to provide your own personal details, including name and address and your scource."

Just to keep this straight! Does this mean this is now the pilots absolute fact network???

[OntimeexceptACARS]

The wife was on this flight, delayed departure for around 3 hours, aircraft was FCLB if i remember correctly. Anyone know what the delay was down to? And if you can arrange a longer delay on the way back....:}

Just kidding. Honest.

OTEA

[TSR2]

It's a question of waiting for the new CEO to decide the recovery strategy and implement the plan.

It will be interesting to see what the strategy will be. The traditional charter business is dying and TCX is not exactly into the growing low-cost market.

Whatever master plan is eventually revealed, I wish them well.

[Big Tudor]

The traditional charter business is dying.....
Interested to know what you base that assumption in TSR2. Look at Jet2 Holidays, EasyJet & Ryanair Hotels, etc. All are offering flights, hotels, transfer, excursions, car hire, etc as a 'package', albeit as individual components. Whilst the traditional method of booking a package holiday may have changed (travel agents) the actual holiday content itself pretty much stays the same. Us Brits still like our 2 weeks in the sun. You need only look at the number of flights into PMI, IBZ and MAH to realise that. And although most have tried the lo-cost flight only method, a lot of people don't like the idea of booking everything separately. TCX need to look at how to brand and market the new package holiday before they miss the boat again.

[TSR2]

I am of course basing my statement on the number of passengers using charter flights. Ten years ago, the ratio of charter to schedule passengers at Manchester was in the region of 60+% in favour of charter. This has dropped continually with the rise of low-cost scheduled flights and now only accounts for less than 25% of passengers using Manchester.

[easyflyer83]

Big Tudor, the traditional package holiday is dying. That's not to say that we no longer enjoy the same old popular destinations. People these days are somewhat more confident in booking separate components of their holiday. It has been spear headed somewhat by the lower fares that can often be obtained by the LCC's but can also be attributed to the greater flexibility offered by 'dynamic' or self packaging. Many more people now take durations other than the usual 7/14 nights to fit their plans. They have a greater choice of flight times and can package themselves with a hotel they want. All of those variables aren't always compatible with the package holiday offered by TCX etc. Further to that we are also seeing lots of short breaks. 10 years ago nobody would ever go to TFS or even Benidorm for just the weekend. Today it is quite common. That never used to be possible or prohibitively expensive. Today's greater flexibility is precisely why the traditional package holiday is fighting to survive. It won't die I don't think but it will never return to its hey day. It will however adapt (about time) and I think TCX are going down the right road by offering EZY flights to give their packages a bit more flexibility whilst still offering the attributes that those who prefer what a package offers.

[walterthesofty]

I hear monarch are now taking the airbuses that were to go the TCX next year

[Big Tudor]

I agree that the traditional package holiday is going/has gone. However I do think the package holiday per se is still very much with us, albeit in a different form.

The choices we were presented with at the advent of lo-co were very attractive and promising. The idea of buying each component from a different provider was supposed to increase our choice and drive down prices through increased competition.

However, I am not convinced that this is how the majority of people are booking their holiday: they are still using a single supplier for most if not all of the pieces, probably because it is easier. Also because the 'Big 2', i.e. EZY and FR use clever marketing techniques to keep people on the website and persuade them to book there and then, or to at least consider their offerings if we decide to book later. As stated, the flexibility in duration that daily services provide is a huge selling point for all manner of travellers. TCX & TOM need to innovate to capture peoples imagination and get a piece of the action. They also need to be less prudish about chasing business. FR in particular have no qualms at all about pursuing the passengers £/€ at every opportunity.

TSR2
Can understand the numbers are down; the mergers of TCX & MYT and TOM & FCA and the loss of XL, etc, would have had a fair impact on the charter programme. But I wonder how many of these lo-co pax are travelling on a 'package' without realising it?

[WHBM]

I haven't bought a package for some years now, despite going to some of the classic places for them like Majorca. We now tend to start with finding a hotel, then work backwards for flights. But what I do always do is look at the package sites (TCX and Thomson, at least) to see if they do the same places. I think I'm going to give this up as a waste of time.

What I find is their websites are just too annoying to penetrate. When I say I want to go to Corsica I don't want the next page to present a huge range of options from Barbados to Turkey, nor am I impressed with the constant use of "perfect" or "deals" or "hurry only x seats left" in every sentence. In the old days of Brochures, you could pretty much flick in an instant to where you were going, and accommodation, flights (with times) and price was all there on the page. Now it takes for ever. I've just had another look at the TCX website for where we went last, apart from a notable number of software bugs in the logic, I can find the destination, I found the hotels some minutes ago but now I can't again, and ..... oh, all too difficult.

Regarding the LCCs, they in turn seem to be getting beaten back by the mainstream carriers. With our most recent trip, to Sicily, booked about 3-4 weeks before departure, Easyjet was far and away the most expensive, over £600 return from London, BA were significantly less, but Alitalia were less than half the Easy price, and from Heathrow, connecting through either Rome or Milan. But Alitalia's key selling point, just like a previous trip on BA to Nice, was not so much the pricing as a spread not only of all dates but of departure times, every few hours through the day, from which we could pick and choose the best for us. The LCCs can offer just one or two departures a day, often with an 0600 departure or a near-midnight return (which both prevent any use of public transport to access the airport). TCX ? One flight a week, and if you don't want 7 or 14 days, tough.

[vctenderness]

I recently bought a Thomas Cook package holiday to Bodrum. The purpose of this was that it was actually cheaper than the very same flight alone.

I have a home in Turkey and was surprised at how much TCX were asking for a return flight. I went to a local Travel Agent and they booked me flights, luggage, meals and seat choice, transfers and 14 nights accommodation for less than I had found the same flight on line.


I just threw the accommodation away.


I have found out that this is quite common practice with TCX.


Strange

[easyflyer83]

Regarding the LCCs, they in turn seem to be getting beaten back by the mainstream carriers. With our most recent trip, to Sicily, booked about 3-4 weeks before departure, Easyjet was far and away the most expensive, over £600 return from London, BA were significantly less, but Alitalia were less than half the Easy price, and from Heathrow, connecting through either Rome or Milan. But Alitalia's key selling point, just like a previous trip on BA to Nice, was not so much the pricing as a spread not only of all dates but of departure times, every few hours through the day, from which we could pick and choose the best for us. The LCCs can offer just one or two departures a day, often with an 0600 departure or a near-midnight return (which both prevent any use of public transport to access the airport). TCX ? One flight a week, and if you don't want 7 or 14 days, tough.

That is the LCC model though. The earlier the booking, the cheaper the fare generally is. Book late, like in your case, and you will pay a more expensive fare. The legacies are the exact opposite. I personally think the legacies are still finding things very tough whilst the LCC's are still doing remarkably well in a very tough economic climate. Plus when it comes to many of the leisure destinations the legacies tend not to serve as they are often marginal.

[Mr A Tis]

Looks like TCX2539 Antalya-Manchester G-TCCA B767 has just diverted into Bourgas. Reported smoke in the cockpit, flightradar24 reports landed safely.

[caaardiff]

Been browsing flight radar today. Looks like TCX chartered an XL Germany 737-800 and a Travel Service 737-700 to bring the delayed passengers back from Burgas from the diverted 767. TCX994 just about to land and TCX995 due about 2230.
As a result of a 12 hour delay to last nights CWL-AYT, TCX also chartered a Travel Service 737-800 today to operate this mornings TCX7472 originally CWL-PFO, but operated LGW-PFO-CWL with outbound passenger bussed to LGW.
Between that and Monarch's troubles, its been a good week for short notice charterers!

And just noticed this afternoons MAN-NBE was operated by a TOM 767, G-OBYD.

[Mr A Tis]

Any news on the old girl (GTCCA)?, is she still in Bourgas?
She's had a few bumps (Skyservice) & scrapes over the years, but still have fond memories of travelling on her from MAN to Sydney in 1995 & to Mexico in 1997 when she was GSJMC with Airtours International.

[Funderblaster]

Guess so, down to operate to AYT this lunchtime

[mathers_wales_uk]

Thomas Cook are really short of luck at the moment. After doing their best to get the CWL schedule back on track by chartering an airline it looks as if TCX7207 LCA-CWL is stick in LCA with a servere delay. - source
(http://cardiffstathan.********.co.uk/)

[OntimeexceptACARS]

Ref post 1322, thanks to good old G-FCLJ, tech in Dalaman tonight! Was due back in GLA at 02:10 BST. According to reps, part to be flown from the UK so earliest departure from Dalaman 14:00L tomorrow. Unless they sub it with something else. Right, where was that beer.....:E

[sunshine79]

Does anyone know why the TCX125 from LAS is diverted and where it's gone to?

[ericlday]

Diverted to Liverpool, landed 08.34

[sunshine79]

Thanks, just checked it, according to LPL it arrived from LAX, well, its the same area as LAS, lol

[sunshine79]

Does anyone know what is down to operate TCX124 MAN-LAS on Wednesday?

[Musket90]

Sunshine - TCX124 to LAS - Most likely A330-200, either G-MDBD or G-OMYT which have both operated the flight the last two weeks. A330 G-MLJL is on lease to Garuda so unlikely to be this one.

[sunshine79]

I know its an A332, just wondered which reg is down to operate it. I've been on OMYT before so hoping its another reg

[MKY661]

Keep checking here thats what I do:
G-MDBD - Thomas Cook Airlines - Flightradar24 (http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/g-mdbd)
G-OMYT - Thomas Cook Airlines - Flightradar24 (http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/g-omyt)

[KUEFC09]

Does anybody know the reason for the 24 hour delay in Cancun?

[Mr.Bloggs]

There is no delay on any Cancun service of any UK airline. Check the arrivals of all major British airports. Not VS, not BA, not TCX, not TOM.

Why post untruths?

[KUEFC09]

Sorry i should have been more specific, the delay was last week as it caused a plane change on the MAN - SFB route, (short haul confiq 767 on a 9 hour flight isnt great).

[MANTHRUST]

Why is it that people post supposed questions about delays affecting this or that airline. It happens to all of them because very few of them have spare capacity because that costs too much and people don't want to pay.
Those that don't have delays just cancel flights to keep things on track.
So put away your little axes and go and walk the dog.

[Drive4it]

Hi.

The wife and I are flying to Gambia in March with Thomas Cook from Birmingham.

As i understand it, the aircraft will be a 757.

With it being a 6 hour flight, i was wondering if its possible to upgrade or worth upgrading with TCX for additional leg room, or an idea of where on the aircraft would be best to sit.

Also, what would the flight path possibly be? Would it be due to fly over the Canary Islands and on down to Banjul via the East Coast.

Thanks
Craig

[Jonty]

If its just you two and you're able bodied then go for row 11 DE. Best seats on the plane.

[BKS Air Transport]

@DRIVE4IT

'The wife...'

Hmm...I'd go for 1A and 36F if she gets to read that :E

[Fernanjet]

Is TCX about to announce further bad news?

Rumour has it that more redundancies are imminent

[RHINO]

Yes....:sad:

[LBIA]

Looks like 4x aircraft are been dropped from the fleet and 430 jobs are under consultation.

Jobs at risk as Thomas Cook cuts aircraft - www.travelweekly.co.uk (http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articles/2012/10/09/41864/jobs-at-risk-as-thomas-cook-cuts-aircraft.html)

[aileron]

Award self 6 million shares. Sack 400 people. Genius.

[Narrow Runway]

I agree with you entirely.

It is the tawdry, seedy side of CEO character though in every business.

It seems that Thomas Cook has truly lost it's way. What a shame.

[CabinCrewe]

Those 4 aircraft were always due to go, not quite sure what all the fuss is about.

[MKY661]

Not good news. I assume the long haul aircraft going will be an A330 unless it is the 767 being transferred to Condor.

[Narrow Runway]

@CabinCrewe

It isn't about the airplanes going. It is about 430 jobs going.........

[mathers_wales_uk]

Hasn't anybody worked out the figures do not quite stack up? What's the crew configuration for these aircraft? How many crews are required per aircraft 3/4 possibly?

The loss of aircraft is being used as an excuse in my opinion for the cost cutting measures. The question is will TCX be spreading their staff too thinly and how will this effect their operation next year?

Fresh in my mind is obviously the instance of two weeks ago where servere delays were encountered accross several bases due to a mixture of technical, crewing and weather issues. Of course it took much longer to get back on track due to crewing hours.

Could any potential issues in the future lead to longer disruption and in fact could it cost the airline more in sub leasing aircraft to recover these delays.

I also would not be suprised if we will hear of an announcement soon of Thomas Cook closing it's ticketing desks at UK airports similar to the Thomson announcement last week.

[easyflyer83]

I don't think 430 jobs over cabin crew and (?) pilots is too much of an exaggeration.

[LGS6753]

There are some pretty naive comments on this thread. Thomas Cook is heaving under a mountain of debt. That has to be serviced ( = interest paid on it) and eventually repaid, possibly by further borrowing. The CEO and other senior managers are doing their best to ensure its survival, not just cutting jobs for the hell of it.

For any plc to survive it must retain the confidence of investors ( = the "City") and lenders ( = banks). If TC did not take these draconian measures, it would be bankrupt and every employee would lose their job. The company's core business (inclusive holidays) is in long-term decline, and diversification would be both expensive and high-risk.

I understand is has become trendy to 'bash' those earning more than yourself, but these people have direct responsibility for the livelihoods of thousands of employees, the safety of their passengers and the satisfactory fulfilment of millions of people's holidays.

[Narrow Runway]

LGS,

Why should it appear naive to consider a brand new CEO accepting a multi million share issuance, as an "incentive", as anything other than an egregious slap in the face to the embattled employees?

Harriet Green has achieved nothing yet in TCG. That should be incentive enough to try and succeed.

Such share schemes have been issued to plenty of CEO's in the past, and guess what? Plenty of companies still go bust.

Naive? I don't think so.

[mathers_wales_uk]

I don't think 430 jobs over cabin crew and (?) pilots is too much of an exaggeration.

I meant the 430 jobs is an exaggeration of the amount of jobs that will be lost directly by the removal of only 5 aircraft from the fleet.

I understand is has become trendy to 'bash' those earning more than yourself, but these people have direct responsibility for the livelihoods of thousands of employees, the safety of their passengers and the satisfactory fulfilment of millions of people's holidays.

I would like to quote a section of what I said previously.

Fresh in my mind is obviously the instance of two weeks ago where servere delays were encountered accross several bases due to a mixture of technical, crewing and weather issues. Of course it took much longer to get back on track due to crewing hours.

Could any potential issues in the future lead to longer disruption and in fact could it cost the airline more in sub leasing aircraft to recover these delays.

I also would not be suprised if we will hear of an announcement soon of Thomas Cook closing it's ticketing desks at UK airports similar to the Thomson announcement last week.

Thomas Cook struggled to cope two weeks ago now how would it perform in 2013 if similar issues arrise with 430 fewer staff which apparently are linked directly to 5 aircraft being withdrawn from the fleet.

I'm not disagreeing that jobs do need to be cut to stem losses however those passengers affected this year may likely think again about using Thomas Cook for next year and if it happens again in 2013 due to an over cull of airline staff then they may not return to travel with them in the near future.

Annoy the customers then there will be less of them in future which will lead to less income. A correct balance needs to be found to ensure that the customer service and experience does not deteriorate as a result of these cuts.

[easyflyer83]

I meant the 430 jobs is an exaggeration of the amount of jobs that will be lost directly by the removal of only 5 aircraft from the fleet.

I know and I said that 430 jobs probably isn't too far off. Considering one of the aircraft is a long haul 330.....that carries probably double that of a 320. With a long haul aircraft the crews operating it won't be as productive as when operating on the short haul fleet. Plus then 3 other aircraft and you probably aren't far short of that figure.

[mathers_wales_uk]

I suppose easyflyer if you come do think of it. It does depend on how many they employ per aircraft so to speak.

It is suprising how many extra staff they employ per aircraft in comparison to the low cost airlines.

[BRAKES HOT]

Quote:
I know and I said that 430 jobs probably isn't too far off. Considering one of the aircraft is a long haul 330.....that carries probably double that of a 320. With a long haul aircraft the crews operating it won't be as productive as when operating on the short haul fleet. Plus then 3 other aircraft and you probably aren't far short of that figure.

The long haul is a red herring. As in the other thread running in rumours it's 4 x 75's and 1 x 320 that are going

[Big Tudor]

It is suprising how many extra staff they employ per aircraft in comparison to the low cost airlines.
Really? Why is it so surprising? Different flight schedule so different crew requirements. Different product and routes so different ground staff requirements.

[easyflyer83]

The long haul is a red herring. As in the other thread running in rumours it's 4 x 75's and 1 x 320 that are going

Ok, maybe thats the case but how can you categorically say it's a red herring when you've heard just a rumour?

It is suprising how many extra staff they employ per aircraft in comparison to the low cost airlines.

These days it's not all that different in terms of short haul. But when you take long haul into account it becomes harder to take make that direct comparison. Whilst long haul trips with most carriers these days tend to be bullet like, there are still some longish trips that tie up crew for a while.

[LGS6753]

Narrow -

Harriet Green was previously CEO at Premier Farnell, a successful plc with a market capitalisation of £600m+. She has moved to TC, a desperately-troubled group on the verge of bankruptcy, with a market cap of under £200m.

She had to be enticed to pick up this poisoned chalice, and one of the ways of doing it is to offer her a stake in the business, which is cost-free, but offers her potential gain if she is successful. It was probably accompanied by a lower salary than she would otherwise earn.

Issuing shares is no guarantee that a company won't go bust, but when it does, the holder of the shares gets nothing.

Sounds eminently sensible to me.

[airsmiles]

LGS6753 talks total sense. It was very difficult indeed for Thomas Cook to find anyone prepared to risk taking on what was an organisation on the point of collapse.

You have to remember these sort of people totally commit to the businesses they run. I used to work for such organisations and they literally live and breath the problems 24/7. It's a thankless task and live-changing for some because of the pressure.

From someone who had been out of work several times in the past I fully understand the problems of the 430 people who will lose their jobs. It could have easily have been the whole workforce only 3 or 4 months ago, so some perspective is needed by everyone to save the business.

[Narrow Runway]

I don't need you to tell me about the City, how it works, or share options.

I was a City trader for a few years, before I realised it was a crappy job - I then traded it for a crappier job in aviation.

Apart from your reference to Premier Farnell, everything else you mention is pure supposition.

How do you know she had to "be enticed to take up the poisoned chalice", or that " It was probably accompanied by a lower salary than she would otherwise earn"?

You are just guessing mate. Unless you're on the remuneration committee, or board of TCG, you just cannot have access to the details.

[A4]

You have to remember these sort of people totally commit to the businesses they run. I used to work for such organisations and they literally live and breath the problems 24/7. It's a thankless task and live-changing for some because of the pressure.

I'm not privy to Greens remuneration package but if I was earning possibly >£x00k / annum with perhaps a 200% bonus and x00,000 shares options..... I'd be pretty "committed" :hmm: What package would you want to take on TCG with £1 billion debt......and business model that's being continuously chipped away at by the LCC's? Would you leave a secure job to take it on without appropriate "compensation"? I doubt she's come "cheap".

A4

[LGS6753]

Narrow -

Apart from your reference to Premier Farnell, everything else you mention is pure supposition.

Of course it is, because I'm not in the upper echelons of TC. But I'm not far wrong in my supposition, as you will be able to judge when the next TC annual report is published.

[Narrow Runway]

I really think you are having a laugh. You don't need to be a genius to realise that the TCG results are going to be poor.

Why do you think the shares are sub 20p? Because it is doing well?

The company has been mismanaged to within an ace of survival, it is going to be a long way back for them.

Harriet Green will do a better job at not ruining the company than her predecessors. It would be impossible not to.

The Elephant in the room for ALL businesses is this when it comes to "incentivising" management: Does it work? Does it really only encourage excess risk taking, or target fixation on one parameter?

Quite frankly, more incentive packages have not been successes than ones which have been.

Whilst jobs are being cut, excessive CEO pay and packages should be cut. It sets a rotten precedent.

[LGS6753]

Narrow -

I agree with all that you say. But who will be the first to cut executive pay?

I think that question should remain rhetorical, as we're allowing this thread to drift a bit....

[mart901]

does anyone know what a/c will be based at STN for next summer?

[Funderblaster]

1 A320 for STN S13

[mart901]

Thanks, I did think it would be, the A321 a short lived idea!

[TartinTon]

With all the chopping and changing does anyone know how many and what aircraft types are being based where in the UK for S13?

[MANTHRUST]

Good to see the TCX share price staging a recovery, but wait, new CEO Harriet Green was lucky enough to buy 500000 shares last week at just 23p. This positivism encouraged other directors to take a punt, several wading in to rid their back pockets of troublesome loose change just before Christmas.
Hope they are still focused on running the business and not just looking after themselves.
Trebles all round in the boardroom.
Apologies to Private Eye

[SCANDIC]

Is CRPH going to be scrapped?

[bacp]

Thats the plan, was sadly sitting on the apron at MAN in December awaiting its final fate. Not a moment too soon either.

[MKY661]

It is currently in Montpellier awaiting sale

[Bigbluebroxi]

GLA will have both 757-300s and one 757-200. Dont know what one its going to be though.

[CabinCrewe]

GLA down from 4x 757's but supplemented with outsourcing and W-patterns

[chinapattern]

Browsing for some flights to Greece this morning and I noticed a few new destinations - Venice, Grenoble, Kittila, Turin and Innsbruck. None of them appeared bookable and no dates came up. Anyone shed any light?

[CabinCrewe]

The growing link with Condor ? Kitilla intermittently appears with Ivalo and Rovanemei for Santa Charters.

[Funderblaster]

Kitilla just Santa flights. Grenoble, Turin and Innsbruck every winter for Ski flights. Hopefully Venice for a new service !

[SCANDIC]

Will the other 2 75's be going to fed ex too.

[SCANDIC]

Are Thomas Cook swapping DAJC and sending another one to Condor.

[goldeneye]

Thomas Cook will be operating flights from MAN to BGI & UVF from Nov 10th and ANU from December 19th.

All bookable on their flight only seat sale website now.

[janeyTA]

Any idea which aircraft or which airline they're using? The seating plan isn't one of their current A330s.

[goldeneye]

I think it's a 767.

[Funderblaster]

Where do you find the seat plan ?!

[goldeneye]

Actually on further inspection I dont think it is a 767.

The seat plan is available if you try and make a booking, after you select flights choose the bundle and it comes up.

[NEastMidlands]

Its a A330 but clearly is a reconfigured layout with 37 rows. I think this is a step in the right direction. Selling through TC Signature will no doubt start very soon

[adfly]

Good to see TCX adding some new long haul routes after many reductions in the long haul fleet and routes.

Also worth noting that Lanzarote has appeared in the booking from SOU, although no flights are loaded so there is a chance it could just be an error, is anyone able to clarify this?

[janeyTA]

If it's an A330 it's not a TC UK one. All their's have the toilets downstairs as far as I know.

[NEastMidlands]

If it's an A330 it's not a TC UK one. All their's have the toilets downstairs as far as I know.

If that seat plan is correct which they are not all the time it looks like some kind of new addition to op those flights.

Looking at CUN for example this shows the correct A330 seat map with space for stairs etc.

[Mr.Bloggs]

330's being acquired, but subject to finance agreements. Nothing definite yet, but when is it in aviation?

[daz211]

Are we seeing a strong move to long haul with tcx leaving the
Shorter holiday destinations been sold through easyjet if so
this Seems to be a good move and the share price is also moving up
Hope tcx continue to grow.

[Skipness One Echo]

Haven't they just escaped from the long haul market by dumping most of their A330s? Last week's strategy was to get out of there.

[janeyTA]

They've got an aircraft flying from MAN to CUN, CCC and HOG this winter that they are saying is an A330 but it won't have a premium cabin or seatback IFE. If they're looking to get back more into longhaul, I can't see a lack or premium and seatback IFE doing them any favours.

[daz211]

The new long haul routes from Manchester are
From what I understand are tcx signature holidays
Thought they would want a good IFE system and a
Premium service on these flights

[MKY661]

Thomas Cook, Thomas Cook Belgium and Vondor to merge together on 1st March:
Thomas Cook to merge Condor, Thomas Cook Belgium and Thomas Cook UK into one airline on March 1 | World Airline News (http://worldairlinenews.com/2013/02/07/thomas-cook-to-merge-condor-thomas-cook-belgium-and-thomas-cook-uk-into-one-airline-on-march-1/)

Not sure if Thomas Cook Scandinavia is to merge with them too.

[goldeneye]

The Scandinavian airline is not currently included in the changes, they will be with some of the behind the scenes functionality for now though.

The signs of this have been there for a while now, Just last month TC Belgium and Condor announced they will be codesharing in routes, Condor is selling SFB and LAS on TCX flights via its website for a few months now.

I do think this is a positive move for the company.

[TCX69]

It`s not been mentioned on here yet. But Thomas Cook are to add ex-bmi A330 G-WWBM to their fleet from the winter 13/14 season. The aircraft is currently stored in VCV. Be interesting to see what config this ends having as it has a completely different galley\washroom layout to the current TCX A330`s.

[janeyTA]

Maybe that's the one I was referring to at #1403?

[waffler]

Rumours of Thomas Cook using an Aer Lingus 330-200 for the next 2 winters.
That has all the goodies, AVOD, Business Class, 274 seats and WiFi.

[NEastMidlands]

The seating plan they are selling is 42 rows of 3-3-3 and obviously 2-3-2 at the back

[mizake the mizzen]

If this rumour is true then that will be 3x EI A330s planned out on lease for Winter2013/14 .
One EI A330 is expected to be going to Scandinavia for a Tour Operator there, to cover their Longhaul programs.

[peachair732]

Although its all over the net about thomas cook merging its three irlines but I cannot find anywhere if they are dropping the Condor name? Remember that last Time Thomas Cook tried that and then due to complaints, they reinstated the Condor name on its planes. Surely they will not repeat this? It was obvous German holidaymakers valued and trusted the Condor name and wanted it back, so why would they do this again? Please no Thomas Cook, leave the Condor name on the planes.

[goldeneye]

I have a feeling that the Condor name will end up being the name for all the group airlines down the line.

[EI-A330-300]

Just to confirm Aer Lingus will not be operating from the UK with Thomas Cook, only 1 A330 will be operated and that is from Scandinavia. They only have one spare aircraft, remaining fleet is all utilized year round.

[TSR2]

Remember that last Time Thomas Cook tried that and then due to complaints, they reinstated the Condor name on its planes.

And they did not drop the name altogether. It was Thomas Cook - powered by Condor.

[peachair732]

Thomas Cook reverted back to Condor as the main titling on the planes, I just hope they recognise and respect the history and prestige of the Condor name and brand. Thomas Cook is not as well known for German public, Condor is and I hope they retain the Condor name, if its only on the plane and in name only.

[Velocity-]

Does anyone have any information on how many and which type of a/c are going to be based at which airports in the UK for S13? :)

If anyone also has a flying programme for BHX S13 that would be grand too.:ok:

[GlasgowBoy]

@Velocity-
Does anyone have any information on how many and which type of a/c are going to be based at which airports in the UK for S13?

Dunno about other airports, but at GLA, we've got 2x 753s coming back, and 1x 752 for the full duration. We've sadly lost a 752 unit from last summer, and will instead have third-party airlines doing the flights unit#4 was supposed to do.

We also have an A330 positioning up from LGW on Saturday mornings, to operate Sanford on Sat & Sun; and CUN on Mondays.

[IrishFlyer2013]

Here is what will be based in BRS/CWL/STN/EMA & BFS for Summer 2013.

BRS - 2 A320
CWL - 1 A320
STN - 1 A320 (1 A321 from mid july - start of September)
EMA - 2 A321
BFS - 1 A321 (1 A320 from mid july - start of September)

[TCX69]

From what I can gather it's:

BFS: 1x A321
BHX: 3x B752
BRS: 2x A320
CWL: 1x A321
EMA: 2x A321
GLA: 1x A332 (Sat-Mon), 1x B752, 2x B753
LGW: 1x A320, 2x A332, 4x B752
MAN: 1x A321, 2x A332, 3x B752, 3x B76W
NCL: 1x A320, 2x B752
STN: 1x A320

As for BHX:

Mon:
PMI, LPA
MAH, BJV
CFU, DLM

Tue:
EFL, AYT
PMI, TFS
JTR, HER

Wed:
IBZ, SSH
FUE, DLM
LCA, NBE

Thu:
PMI, KGS, ZTH
LEI, ACE
ZTH, DLM

Fri:
TFS, CFU
REU, HER, BOJ
MAH, DLM

Sat:
PMI, ADB
AYT, NBE
ALC, RHO
FUE

Sun:
ZTH, KGS
NBE, SSH
IBZ, LCA

[planenut321]

CWL will be 1 x A321.

[rutankrd]

Since the ex bmi 332 isn't due till autumn i take it one of the summer 332 is the usual Scandinavia shoe in and if so that will be OY-VKF .
Is it at Gatwick or Manchester ?

[goldeneye]

Scandinavia only have one A330-200 the rest are A330-300s. OY-VKF will indeed be in the UK this Summer. None of TCX's aircraft are specifically based at any one airport and routinely operate around the bases and positioning back to Manchester for work in the hanger.

[TCX69]

Latest A/C allocation for the Summer...

BFS 1x A321 (A320 19Jul-05Sep)
BHX 3x B752
BRS 2x A320
CWL 1x A321
DSA 1x A320* [Mon only], 1x A321 [Fri only]
EDI 1x A320 [Tue only]
EMA 2x A321
EXT 1x A320 [Sat only]
GLA 1x A332 [Sat-Mon only], 1x B752, 2x B753
LGW 1x A320, 1x A320*, 1x A332, 1x A332 [Tue-Fri], 4x B752
MAN 1x A320, 2x A332, 3x B752, 3x B76W
NCL 1x A320*, 2x B752
NWI 1x A321 [Tue only]
STN 1x A320 (A321 19Jul-05Sep)

*SmartLynx A320

[MKY661]

According to Jethro The SmartLynx A320 is to be based at MAN not DSA.

[TCX69]

According to Jethro The SmartLynx A320 is to be based at MAN not DSA

AFAIK they're going to be LGW and NCL based. The DSA a/c only operates on Mondays as a W-pattern with the NCL based A320.

[Habana2118]

anyone know what the program is for the SmartLynx A320 out of LGW this Summer?

[TCX69]

anyone know what the program is for the SmartLynx A320 out of LGW this Summer?

This is the LGW A320 programme. Could be the SmartLynx or TCX A320 though...

Mon
PMI, LPA
CFU, DLM

Tue
MLA, DLM
EFL, TFS

Wed
NBE, BJV
FUE

Thu
LEI, LPA
FAO, ZTH

Fri
BJV, NBE
NAP

Sat
FAO, EFL
PFO, RHO

Sun
IBZ, DLM, NBE
KLX, DLM

[Habana2118]

Thanks for that TCX69

[BFS BHD]

Does Anyone know if TCX will be doing the SFB flights from BFS this year? And also has anyone got the dates on when they will be operating them.

Cheers BFS BHD http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/smile.gif

[canberra97]

BFS BHD

I take it you did not try and find this information out yourself as it took me less then five minutes on the Thomas Cook website to obtain the information!

Thomas Cook will fly from Belfast BFS to Sanford every fortnight on a Friday

Belfast 12.05 - Sanford 15.35

I am not sure of the start date and I would assume that the flights will be by Airbus A330, have you checked out the BFS website.

It's alot quicker to do your own searches then have to wait untill someone on here finds it out themselfs then posting it then you would not have to wait so long for a reply then!!!

[BlueTui]

Some people will always rely on others to do the work for them...

[anthbower1234]

When are they due gents?

[MKY661]

2014. They will have sharklets :)

[OltonPete]

MKY661

Are these two 321's deferred from this year?

Jethro's has two this year and the C/N's that are listed would indicate that they are either built or about to be.

BHX-SFB

One flight bookable Easter 2014 (11th April) - one off or start of a summer series of flights? Seems odd to offer 37 different choice of hotel for one flight unless it is a direct test of the water to see how bookings go.

Pete

[NEastMidlands]

Its just an Easter special, the hotels will already be contracted to MAN and LGW flights as well

[take-off]

With TC looking back into long haul, will they be doing any winter flights to las Vegas ? Also other Man and the odd Glasgow why none from bhx/lgw. I suppose the dailies fro lgw/Lahr pretty much soak that market up (answered that Q myself I guess :-))

[OltonPete]

NEastMidlands

Thank you for the reply.

Thomas Cook have never been adverse to one-off school holiday extras so I suppose it is not too surprising but as BHX - Florida could possibly stand another weekly rotation I was hoping for something more permanent although I realise a weekly flight from a non-long-haul base would be pushing it a bit.

Pete

[Charlie98]

Plane spotters says LB & LH are in storage? Is this correct, I havn't saw them for a while!

[goldeneye]

LB and LH have been withdrawn from service, they are being returned to the leasing company in the next few days.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

I think you will find that two of the A321s that were due this year, are the two that Monarch are taking next month.
Thomas Cook still has A321 MSN 5603 listed as coming to them.

[BFS BHD]

Thanks for the info about Sanford! :)

[cuerdley1989]

Has anyone any idea why this flight was operated by 763 (G-TCCA) rather than the normal A332 yesterday?

What is the seat configuration on the 763 compared with A332?

[VickersVicount]

...and as if by magic...
Thomas Cook Airlines seat plans - SeatPlans.com (http://www.seatplans.com/airlines/Thomas-Cook-Airlines/seatplans)

[goldeneye]

The seating plan for the A330 is wrong, Prem has 49 seats and the downstairs toilet area is not shown. Looks like that's the original JMC configuration.

[ematom1]

Just wondered if Thomas cook was continueing the W pattern into East Midlands from Palma on Fridays on the 757-200 in summer if anyone could tell me? Thanks :)

[OltonPete]

ematom1

One of the BHX based 757's I think is still due to operated BHX-MAH-EMA-MAH-BHX this summer on a Friday as it has done for several years unless it has been switched to another UK destination but it is out all day from BHX.

Pete

[ematom1]

Thanks Pete that's the one :) wasn't sure where it operated out of :)

[spaul66]

cuerdley1989 was just coming on to ask the same question my self my parents were on this flight apparently few people were moaning about the lack of room

[goldeneye]

The scheduled A330 had a technical problem, so the 767 was brought in to run the flight.

The 767's have a 30" seat pitch with overhead screens.

[BasilFawlty]

Any leased A330's this season? Because on most days they need 4 A330's as far as I can see?

[TCX69]

Any leased A330's this season? Because on most days they need 4 A330's as far as I can see?

Just the usual A330 from Thomas Cook Scandinavia, OY-VKF.

[BasilFawlty]

Thanks! :ok:

[nsherrin15]

CWL summer flights are now going to be operated by an A321 instead of the 320 :)

[goldeneye]

TCX are moving their Florida flights from Sanford to Orlando Intl for Summer 2014.

Smart move in my opinion.

Manchester changes in 2014.

Las Vegas 3x weekly (wed,fri & sun)
Cancun 4x weekly (tue,wed,fri & sun)
Majorca Daily
Punta Cana Now weekly
Varadero Now Weekly
Barbados, St Lucia and Antigua are carrying on from Winter into Summer.
Monastir is back in addition to NBE.

[VickersVicount]

Dont think any of the rest of the Euro Thomas Cook group went to SFB so is common sense

[spaul66]

Just wondering if anyone knows whats up with OY-VKF it's ccc to man flight my parents are ment to be on it they have been told its got at least a 14 hr delay

[spaul66]

It's new arrival time at manchester is now 11:45 on Sunday rather than 07:20 Saturday

[TCX69]

Tech! Not good on it`s first flight of the Summer for TCX.

[spaul66]

Yeah apparantly tcx will be issuing a update to passengers at 22:00 tonight on a new departure time

[TCX69]

Today's TCX324 MAN-CUN was operated by B767 G-TCCB due to the shortage of A330's. The inbound TCX325 is delayed by 15h 20! :rolleyes:

[116d]

TCX are moving their Florida flights from Sanford to Orlando Intl for Summer 2014.

Smart move in my opinion.

I agree on that one. MCO is closer to Disney and the main Orlando attractions than SFB, though I accept that hasn't really stopped people using SFB in the past (and it also depends where passengers' final destinations are once landed). I was struggling to find an announcement on this but I had a quick look on the flythomascook.com website and flights to MCO are available to book now for March/April 2014.

Does anyone know whether there's an underlying reason for this move? I understand one reason why the UK charter carriers moved to SFB in the 1990s is the lower landing fees there, so I'm curious to know whether TCX are on their own with this one or whether we'll see Thomson or Monarch eventually move as well.

[goldeneye]

116d

The move is due to the changes by TC to their group airlines TCX is moving more towards the business model that German sister airline Condor have.
DE also now code-share on these flights and Vegas, allowing US customers to access these flights which were not an option in the past. Its purely a TC decision so i think it may be just them that move.

[TCX69]

A320 YL-LCH ferried RIX-LGW as TCX103P & A320 YL-LCL ferried LPA-NCL as TCX320P, both on Summer lease from SmartLynx Airlines.

[mikkie4]

very tatty looking a320(n400ct) parked at southend

[TCX69]

very tatty looking a320(n400ct) parked at southend

That's ex OO-TCN from Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium, stored at SEN.

[TCX69]

OY-VKF causing issues again! TCX149 CUN-MAN diverted into BDA early this morning due to suspected smoke/fire in the cabin. Plane landed safely & all passengers are OK.

This has caused a knock on effect & significantly delayed todays TCX1786 LGW-DLM. :=

[Curious Pax]

MAN arrivals info is showing it as estimated in at 0305 tomorrow morning - are they expecting to have fixed the fault or have they sent a rescue flight?

[Funderblaster]

Expecting a fix, problem with an IFE unit I believe.

[ematom1]

Currently based at EMA is 1 A321 and 1 757-200 will this be all summer?

[SFCC]

No.
The 757 isn't based there. It's simply standing in for an ailing 321

[goldeneye]

TCX are now offering BE domestic connections to its Long Haul flights out of Manchester and Gatwick from ABZ,BHD,EDI,EXT,GCI,INV,IOM,JER,NQY,SOU with more to be added.

Some of these are already on sale from July via the Condor website.

[nsherrin15]

I may be wrong, but I think the 757 will be based at EMA for the summer as G-DHJH which was based at EMA untill 1 May is now operating from Cardiff. Once again I may be wrong.

[IrishFlyer2013]

There is one Thomas Cook A321 out of service at the moment. G-OMYJ hasn't flown since 08 March.

The B757 based in EMA could be covering this A321 until it gets back into service.

[Funderblaster]

As SFCC said above, the B752 is only covering for the tech A321. Once it's up and running EMA will have 2xA321 for the summer. :ok:

[Civagiarn]

Does anyone know whether LGW - BOJ flights will be operated by A330's again this summer?

[SCANDIC]

Will there be anymore 757's going to fed ex this year. Tommy cook could do with the ex bmi 330 now.

[TCX69]

Does anyone know whether LGW - BOJ flights will be operated by A330's again this summer?

No. Just 1 weekly flight on the 757-200.

[Funderblaster]

From 29th July to 2nd Sept B757-300

[rowly6339]

Anybody know what ac will be used on Manchester to Vegas this summer.

Thanks

[Funderblaster]

All long haul operated by A330 unless tech issues or extras, in which case maybe B763

[rowly6339]

Thanks, looking to book it for Sept as it's a good price and direct which is a bonus as I usually fly with USAIR via Philly.

[SCANDIC]

DAJC is back for the summer by the looks of it, it still has a few condor bits on it but looks like she has returned for good.

[EK77WNCL]

Hi, can anyone perhaps give me a schedule for TCX's 753's as I'm really interested in catching one.

If anyone also has one for Condor too that would also be much apprecated.

[TCX69]

Condor's new A321, D-AIAB.

It will be transferring to the TCX fleet in early 2014 as G-TCDB, hence the Thomas Cook.com titles.

This will be the first A/C in the TCX fleet to wear the logo painted on the tail & also the new Airbus titles.

http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh498/TCX69K/D-AIAB_zpsb970bf7b.png (http://s1248.photobucket.com/user/TCX69K/media/D-AIAB_zpsb970bf7b.png.html)

[Bigbluebroxi]

They are at Glasgow until the english school holidays begin.

[TCX69]

Hi, can anyone perhaps give me a schedule for TCX's 753's as I'm really interested in catching one.

GLA (01May-21Jul & 06Sep-31Oct)
Mon: PMI/ACE, CFU/DLM
Tue: PMI (W-BFS), REU/HER
Wed: IBZ/LCA, DLM
Thu: PMI/AYT, ZTH/ACE
Fri: DLM/TFS, TFS/BOJ
Sat: ALC/FUE, PMI/DLM
Sun: NBE/AYT, TFS/ZTH

LGW (22Jul-05Sep)
Mon: DLM/BOJ, BJV/BJV
Tue: PFO, HER/AYT
Wed: IBZ/RHO/IBZ, LCA/DLM
Thu: ZTH/ACE, DLM/DLM
Fri: CFU/HER, DLM/DLM
Sat: AYT/DLM, AYT
Sun: ZTH/KGS, PVK/NBE

[aiuk]

Thanks for the info TCX69!

Would you know where the B757-300s will be going ex LGW for Winter 13/14? Would be great to fly one of there rare ladies!

Thanks :ok:

[Bagmanlgw]

The schedule for Lgw peak summer shows only 1 B753
Where is the other one ?

[TCX69]

The schedule for Lgw peak summer shows only 1 B753
Where is the other one ?

They will both be LGW based. I missed the other A/C off the list :ugh: Both are now added :ok:

[EK77WNCL]

Thank you very much for the info. Returning to Zante tomorrow morning (flight at 05:00, yay!) so I will look forward to seeing the 753 again, I saw it there 2 years ago. I must say those things look massive at such a small airport. Thanks a lot :)

[LGS6753]

Thomas Cook secures aircraft deal (http://www.travelmole.com/news_feature.php?c=setreg&region=2&m_id=s~_rvY!s~m&w_id=8996&news_id=2006603)

[TCX69]

Would you know where the B757-300s will be going ex LGW for Winter 13/14?

LGW
Mon: SSH
Tue: TFS
Wed: FUE
Thu: SSH
Fri: HRG
Sat: GNB, SOF
Sun: ACE

MAN
Mon: LPA
Tue: AYT
Wed: FUE
Thu: ACE
Fri: TFS
Sat: TFS
Sun: ACE :ok:

[aiuk]

Thanks TCX69

... looks like FUE next winter then :)

[OntimeexceptACARS]

Got a mate waiting at CFU for G-JMAB as TCX3228, which is landing at CFU as I type. Apparently it diverted to LGW this morning, anyone know why? He's hoping its not tech on arrival....

[NCIS]

Hi All - Alba Star 737-408 EC-LAV operated the inbound TCX6217 into Newcastle Airport this afternoon. Pic: Boeing 737: 24352 EC-LAV 737-408 Alba Star Newcastle Airport | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/8950886804) For those with long memories it used to be Icelandair's TF-FIA and Futura's EC-IVR. Cheers.

[goldeneye]

I see that a EuroAtlantic 767 is operating RHO to MAN today, is this cover for an out of service aircraft of is it a longer lease ?

[gavvy]

Hi
Does anyone know if Thomas Cook are flying LGW-MCO next summer, I see the MAN And GLA flights are loaded on flythomascook.com but nothing for LGW:confused:

[goldeneye]

gavvy,

TCX are not currently planning to operate LGW to MCO for Summer 2014. They are planning on using MAN with feeders from BE to connect to the flights from regional airports like NQY, IOM, SOU, ABZ etc.

[stuinn]

Anyone know why the delay of 4 hours to TCX 246 to Stanford? On return flight back to lgw .