Instrument time required for standard VFR JAR PPL(A)

[bergkamp1]

Can someone confirm the time needed on instruments for the standard VFR JAR PPL(A) qualification?

many thanks

[FlyingForFun]

There is no minimum.

The required items for test are to be able to fly straight+level, and a rate 1 turn through 180 degrees. Training is as required to be able to perform these items.

Personally, I would add climbing+descending into this as an absolute minimum, since these are far more likely to get you out of trouble than a 180-degree turn. I always added an SRA if the student was up to it, too.

Pre-JAR, I believe there was a requirement for a minimum of 2 hours, and I've come across a few instructors who still insist on this now (either because they think it's sensible, or because they don't realise the rules have changed).

FFF
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[dublinpilot]

Are you absolutely sure on that?

I thought there was 5 hours instrument appreciation on a JAR PPL?

dp

[Whopity]

JAA Helicopter PPL Yes but as FFF says there is no set time for an aeroplane PPL however, the JAA syllabus Ex 19 does include:

straight and level at various airspeeds and configurations
climbing and descending
standard rate turns and descending turns onto selected headings
recoveries from climbing and descending turns

not just a level 180 degree turn as many quote!

[dublinpilot]

Ok, just to show that I wasn't imagining it, and that JAR's aren't harmonised across the EU, :rolleyes: in Ireland there is a requirement for 5 hours instrument time.

From the IAA (Personal Licensing) Order 2000
(3) Experience - Aeroplane:
(a) The applicant shall have satisfactorily completed as pilot of aeroplanes
not less than 45 hours of flight time which shall include not less than:-

(i) 10 hours of solo flight time, supervised by a duly authorised flight
instructor, including at least 5 hours of solo cross-country flight
time with at least one solo cross-country flight totalling not less
than 150 nautical miles in the course of which full-stop landings
at two different aerodromes shall be made;

(ii) 5 hours of instrument instruction time of which not more than
2 hours may be instrument ground time; and

(iii) 5 hours as pilot-in-command or dual instruction flight time
during the 90 day period immediately preceding the date of
application.

[bergkamp1]

thanks for your replies. i think it makes sense to me now.

FFF, Whopity: i've seen ex19 'Basic Instrument Flight' in JAR-FCL and have done this with a prior instructor.
DP: my current instructor is from ireland, so your reply makes me understand why he thought i needed 3 hours flying on instruments.

i couldn't see any time requirements in JAR-FCL which prompted the question, but you guys seem to have explained the confusion, so thanks again for your time.