Instrument time required for standard VFR JAR PPL(A)
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There is no minimum.
The required items for test are to be able to fly straight+level, and a rate 1 turn through 180 degrees. Training is as required to be able to perform these items.
Personally, I would add climbing+descending into this as an absolute minimum, since these are far more likely to get you out of trouble than a 180-degree turn. I always added an SRA if the student was up to it, too.
Pre-JAR, I believe there was a requirement for a minimum of 2 hours, and I've come across a few instructors who still insist on this now (either because they think it's sensible, or because they don't realise the rules have changed).
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The required items for test are to be able to fly straight+level, and a rate 1 turn through 180 degrees. Training is as required to be able to perform these items.
Personally, I would add climbing+descending into this as an absolute minimum, since these are far more likely to get you out of trouble than a 180-degree turn. I always added an SRA if the student was up to it, too.
Pre-JAR, I believe there was a requirement for a minimum of 2 hours, and I've come across a few instructors who still insist on this now (either because they think it's sensible, or because they don't realise the rules have changed).
FFF
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JAA Helicopter PPL Yes but as FFF says there is no set time for an aeroplane PPL however, the JAA syllabus Ex 19 does include:
straight and level at various airspeeds and configurations
climbing and descending
standard rate turns and descending turns onto selected headings
recoveries from climbing and descending turns
not just a level 180 degree turn as many quote!
straight and level at various airspeeds and configurations
climbing and descending
standard rate turns and descending turns onto selected headings
recoveries from climbing and descending turns
not just a level 180 degree turn as many quote!
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Ok, just to show that I wasn't imagining it, and that JAR's aren't harmonised across the EU, 
in Ireland there is a requirement for 5 hours instrument time.
From the IAA (Personal Licensing) Order 2000
in Ireland there is a requirement for 5 hours instrument time.From the IAA (Personal Licensing) Order 2000
(3) Experience - Aeroplane:
(a) The applicant shall have satisfactorily completed as pilot of aeroplanes
not less than 45 hours of flight time which shall include not less than:-
(i) 10 hours of solo flight time, supervised by a duly authorised flight
instructor, including at least 5 hours of solo cross-country flight
time with at least one solo cross-country flight totalling not less
than 150 nautical miles in the course of which full-stop landings
at two different aerodromes shall be made;
(ii) 5 hours of instrument instruction time of which not more than
2 hours may be instrument ground time; and
(iii) 5 hours as pilot-in-command or dual instruction flight time
during the 90 day period immediately preceding the date of
application.
(a) The applicant shall have satisfactorily completed as pilot of aeroplanes
not less than 45 hours of flight time which shall include not less than:-
(i) 10 hours of solo flight time, supervised by a duly authorised flight
instructor, including at least 5 hours of solo cross-country flight
time with at least one solo cross-country flight totalling not less
than 150 nautical miles in the course of which full-stop landings
at two different aerodromes shall be made;
(ii) 5 hours of instrument instruction time of which not more than
2 hours may be instrument ground time; and
(iii) 5 hours as pilot-in-command or dual instruction flight time
during the 90 day period immediately preceding the date of
application.
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thanks for your replies. i think it makes sense to me now.
FFF, Whopity: i've seen ex19 'Basic Instrument Flight' in JAR-FCL and have done this with a prior instructor.
DP: my current instructor is from ireland, so your reply makes me understand why he thought i needed 3 hours flying on instruments.
i couldn't see any time requirements in JAR-FCL which prompted the question, but you guys seem to have explained the confusion, so thanks again for your time.
FFF, Whopity: i've seen ex19 'Basic Instrument Flight' in JAR-FCL and have done this with a prior instructor.
DP: my current instructor is from ireland, so your reply makes me understand why he thought i needed 3 hours flying on instruments.
i couldn't see any time requirements in JAR-FCL which prompted the question, but you guys seem to have explained the confusion, so thanks again for your time.
