ATR 72 Royal Maroc at Valência...Oppsss

[JanetFlight]

Wowwwwww...that NLG really suffered a lot 🙄

https://streamable.com/thexyt

https://streamable.com/thexyt

[UV]

Another FO landing?!

[sycamore]

Former camel driver....

[ATC Watcher]

Originally Posted by sycamore

Former camel driver....

Sure ,no western educated pilot would ever be caught doing this

[FUMR]

Originally Posted by UV

Another FO landing?!

Don't be too sure!

[flynerd]

Surely just a standard three touch-and-go consecutive events.

[Loose rivets]

I was flying an ATR with a well educated FO, that when phoning home, sang in a voice from a different universe. His fingers danced on the FMC and generally he seemed proficient. However, one day, at the last moments of an approach, the concrete came at me as though the planet had exploded. I grabbed the yoke and pulled. All three points landed half an inch under the surface. So hard to explain.

[josephfeatherweight]

Landing currency - complete - good to go for another 90 days.

[punkalouver]

Originally Posted by Loose rivets

I was flying an ATR with a well educated FO, that when phoning home, sang in a voice from a different universe. His fingers danced on the FMC and generally he seemed proficient. However, one day, at the last moments of an approach, the concrete came at me as though the planet had exploded. I grabbed the yoke and pulled. All three points landed half an inch under the surface. So hard to explain.

Power is your friend in such a situation. Look how fast things improved once added in the video. Instinct is control column only.

[mavisbacon]

Many many years ago I worked for a large central England flight training school. I was asked to come in on the weekend to finish off a couple of students because they were short of hours and their type rating training was starting on the Monday. I duly complied, but on the return approach was asked by the student to take the landing because he wasn’t happy landing with a crosswind. This I did (effortlessly) but was left thinking hmm, passed all his training, passed all his tests, got a job with major airline but errr can’t fly for a toffee!
Never forgotten that, stayed with me ever since.

[barry lloyd]

The link no longer works

[Clay_T]

Originally Posted by barry lloyd

The link no longer works

[barry lloyd]

Thanks for that

[DIBO]

Harsh times for ATR's it seems.
Same country, different airport, different operator

You Tube

[JanetFlight]

Originally Posted by DIBO

Harsh times for ATR's it seems.
Same country, different airport, different operator
https://youtu.be/-j8wm6draWk

Jesus Christ...that last one was nasty...what happened really there!!???

[VH-MLE]

"what happened really there!!???"

The pilots turned into passengers, that's what happened both there & in the Royal Air Maroc case above...

[treadigraph]

Originally Posted by JanetFlight

Jesus Christ...that last one was nasty...what happened really there!!???

The last bounce was so high, it went out of shot...

[Jhieminga]

Originally Posted by mavisbacon

Many many years ago I worked for a large central England flight training school. I was asked to come in on the weekend to finish off a couple of students because they were short of hours and their type rating training was starting on the Monday. I duly complied, but on the return approach was asked by the student to take the landing because he wasn’t happy landing with a crosswind. This I did (effortlessly) but was left thinking hmm, passed all his training, passed all his tests, got a job with major airline but errr can’t fly for a toffee!
Never forgotten that, stayed with me ever since.

Reminds me of a similar situation I found myself in. The FTO I worked for sometimes picked some of their own students straight after they finished the integrated course, sent them off on a FI course and hired them. I had to do a checkout on the FTO's smaller trainer with them and one of them just couldn't do a crosswind landing without crabbing the wheels all over the runway. I could only sign off on a 'no crosswind' instructor, but the CFI decided it was a confidence thing that should improve by itself. Said instructor kept instructing and ended up in an airliner, so I guess (hope) that the problem did indeed resolve itself.

[Pilot DAR]

After seeing this type of event beginning to develop while I was type training pilots, I developed a training technique to prevent this. I would pre brief that I would talk the trainee through the flare. I would brief that I would be using one of only two words, or, we'd be going around. They were to do as I spoke in very small increments, and immediately but gently change to the other action as I spoke it. The words are "pull" and "pause". So, as the flare begun, I would speak: "pull, pull, pull, pull, pause, pause, pull, pull, pause, pull pull...." until the hull (or main wheels) touched. I never raised my voice, nor made it sound urgent (that would have been a go around already, if I let it get that far out of hand). Doing this showed the trainee that "push" is never a part of a good landing in a tricycle wheel gear or hull type airplane. Once the trainee learned that "pause" while in the flare is an okay thing to do, push to overcome pulling too much was no longer needed, and landings became acceptable.

Any training pilot who allows a trainee pilot to push in the flare is doing the trainee a dis service in learning.

[Jhieminga]

I'm going to nick that instruction technique, thanks!