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Old 10th Aug 2010, 23:06
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anyone remember and has news of any A/C ATC Engineers,flying instructors of this period?eg

Ladi Marmol ADS Aerial,Mike Abbot,Clive Wren,Bob Langley(Capt)Mick Tuson ATC,Dave Thompson,to name but a few.
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Hi Gunbus

If you search amongst Pprunes archives you should find some info on Mike Abott

I knew him from his days at MAFG/MFS at Manchester in the 1970s and 1980s.He was a BY Captain and instructor/examiner on any number of panels.I did my PPL FHT with him and got to know him socially as well.He had a nasty at Barton in a home built but went back to BY after serious surgery.

Now retired and is living in France I believe.I'm sure many people who read these pages will add more if you can't find the relevant pages.
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I remember him, rumour has it that he burnt out a couple of RR Darts after landing at Southend.
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Thanks Crispie,was going to reply earlier,but the fuhrer strode in and informed me that we were off to invade waitrose,Iwill dig out the digital spade and start digging,along with my pit if she sees this!!
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Hello bedstead

You are right,one of JJ s viscounts.
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Hello Gunbus,

I think all the names you mentioned are now retired, even DT must now be close to 60 and sadly some may no longer be with us.
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Gunbus,
I am surprised by the poor response to your original post.
Unfortunately, I cannot add much.
I don’t know what happened to the flying school bosses, Ted Clack, Bob Pascoe, Ted Wilkinson, Lance and DT.
Some of the BAF crews initially went to Orion, Dan, Monarch, Cathay, and Airbus at Toulouse. BA took on several female F/Os two of which are now retired lhs 747-400. A couple of cabin crew immigrated to Aus and all the rest are I expect now retired.
Atc: Paul Cav went up north somewhere, the rest sorry, no idea.

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Edward Clack i gather no longer flys due to a Medical Condition, but is still a keen and talented aerial photographer.

Ladi Marmol sadly passed away some years ago.

Not sure what happened to Clive Wren, after Southend Handling took over, he moved on, and in my opinion was not treated well by SEN`s then "New Owners" considering the amount of time he was associated with the airfield. No sure if he moved up the road to Thurrock / orsett?

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How does one go about frying two Darts after landing?
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Quote 'How does one go about frying two Darts after landing?'

Quite simple: Forget to select ground fine pitch.
I am surprised you did not know that.

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I'm sorry to inform that Edward Clack is no more:
Aerial photographer Edward dies aged 85 (From Echo)
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I was a Student Controller at Southend, Nov. ‘73 – Jun ’74.

Southend Corporation had a contract with the CAA to take two trainees at a time and train them up to Tower validation standard. I was one, the other was a guy called Paul Martin – Bishop.

When I look back, the time I spent at SND was fantastic. The blokes I worked with were amazing.

The SATCO was Wally Wallace. Genial, vertically challenged bloke. Salt of the earth. Every Saturday morning we had a Transavia Se 210 Caravel inbound from Amsterdam on a shopping spree charter. Wally always made the effort to be in the tower to clear the aircraft to land. We didn't get many jets in those days. Well he was the SATCO. It kept his licence current.

Other controllers were Dave Thompson, Mick Tuson, Paul Cavanagh, Roger ?? An old boy, Roy Crook, Fred ?? Big flyer, Chris Winch, now living in Jersey. He is a PPRuNer. Zena the clairvoyant assistant. Eddie Clack of SLAC ? Mike Abbot who went on to fly B737’s with Britannia I think.

And then there was the Airport Commandant, Tony ‘Chuff’ Cusworth. No further comment.

The ATCO’s owned a Rallye, G-AYYY. They were mad enough to let me fly it. I did a few hours in it.

All great people. When I look back on my career in ATC, my time at Southend has got to be the best. Brilliant. Happy days.

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I remember those Green Tailed Caravelles very well. Along with the Delta Airlines DC6's.
And in the Tower, or at least at the bottom of the stairs (FBO) Dave Lewis ? Anyone know what happened to him?

YYY (Delilah) on one occasion faced such a strong South Westerly it was "in the hover" high over the 24 Threshold for what seemed like an age, then it nosed straight down, for a Stol landing on the taxiway outside Thames Estuary FC (flying club, not football).

In the 80's of course we had Nigel Brendish, my first "employer" as a Saturday Morning Hanger Boy, I was wisely and fondly told to never fly with him, which I did not. Sadly Nigel of course, no longer with us.
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And then there was the Airport Commandant, Tony ‘Chuff’ Cusworth. No further comment.
Mike Tuson had a name for him, APC, it matched his car's registration and it stood for A Prise P***k' !
Very happy days
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An old boy, Roy Crook
ATC. Roy, what a great bloke, that is if you were on his right side! I remember he used to fart down the mike while transmitting at a/c he did not like, mainly us flying, in his words ‘tiddlers’ like YYY. He like all Southend ATC would always get you down safely, beats my days at egkk, egll etc any day.
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Marmol is one of the rarest names in the United Kingdom, ranking 127230 th, which lists as 12 registered for the pole.


Please someone remind me what Ladi did to find him in my memory banks, albeit in name only.


Darts.
I'd assumed a Viscount, and my memory of that has the weight switches bringing in the fine pitch. In fact, on our tests of manhood, we'd see who could land softly enough to not compress the legs enough to click the switches.

Chris Winch is a PpruNer ? I know you're not allowed to say...but

I've posted more than a few times about that offset radar, and being allowed to help with training by flying approaches in an Auster - while only having a handful of hours. I argue it gave us the best training - lets go out on a limb here - the best training in the world...if you don't count flying onto a carrier or summit like that at Mrs Windsor's expense.

Pascoe Was he, or was he related to "HAM". The code name on CA's white board.

Clack, a pretty rare name also at some 2.5 thousand. Did he have a son that flew Heralds?
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Please someone remind me what Ladi did to find him in my memory banks, albeit in name only.
I think he owned a crop spraying business.

Pascoe Was he, or was he related to "HAM". The code name on CA's white board.
The Pascoe I knew Bob, was a flying school boss. With his son Neil, he ran schools at Southend and Ipswich.

Clack, a pretty rare name also at some 2.5 thousand. Did he have a son that flew Heralds?
Yes I think he did.

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His brother....

I also recall Ted Clacks Brother (Bernie) who was involved in the club but flew B737 for Britannia Airways.

AAh the Caravelle arriving, I saw one use a breaking parachute to assist in the stop......I had assumed only military aircraft were so equipped!!

A little troubled about all this talk of two darts being burnt out on landing...rumour at the time was FOUR Darts ...?

And to finish, as I lined up for my first solo on 06 in the 1960s I recall thinking how long the runway was........thirty five years later as I approached in an A321 (two crew min fuel) thinking how short the runway was!!

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Did you make the 15 turn off?
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Any ex EGMC flyers remember the Echo ARAA Radar Approaches ??

This is an extract from my memoirs of life at Southend :-


In ’73, Southend did not have an Instrument Landing System or ILS. This is a piece of equipment that allows aircraft to land in poor weather when the visibility is so bad that a visual approach is not possible. Instead, Surveillance Radar Approaches, were carried out using an EKCO ARAA (Aerodrome Radar Approach Aid) This was an amazing piece of equipment, manufactured by a local electrical company, E K Cole.

It hung from the ceiling of the tower rather like a periscope in a submarine. The operator stood looking into a small ‘A’ scope tube. He was able to follow the aircraft by literally rotating the entire radar receiving unit by turning it on its axis. Azimuth control was maintained by turning two hand grips either side of the unit.

It was very, very basic but in the hands of a skilled operator, very accurate. If it was set up precisely, Surveillance Radar Approaches could be carried out down to half a mile with an OCL of about 250 feet.

Once the approach was commenced, the controller was committed to it. He stood upright looking into the ‘A’ scope. Both hands on the azimuth controls and at the same time talking on the R/T.

Our favourite trick was to wait until the talk down had commenced, and then we would loosen the poor unfortunate’s trouser belt so his trousers fell to the floor. He had no spare hands to help himself so the SRA would be conducted with his trousers round his ankles, much to the mirth of everybody else in the tower.

Our game came to an end however when one day the Airport Commandant, Mr Tony Cussworth, appeared in the tower with a party of very influential visitors from Southend Corporation Council. An SRA was in progress as they climbed the stairs into the VCR (Visual Control Room). They were met by the sight of an Air Traffic Controller conducting a Surveillance Radar Approach to an inbound aircraft in his underpants.

I can still see it now as plain as if it was yesterday. The underpants were red and yellow stripes. The red was not quite as vivid as the face of the Commandant or his visitors. He made a polite cough and then made his excuses and left.

Of course we did not get away lightly. Within hours a memo appeared that with immediate effect, no Surveillance Radar Approaches would be carried out in ones underpants. What a spoilsport that Chuff was.

So many good stories from my time there.

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