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230 Course South Cerney

Old 13th Mar 2010, 12:45
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How Quirky..Came across an old piccy of my course No. 233 (not 232 as previously mentioned!!)
Geoff Hamlyn, Neil Haqui, Dave Keenan, Mike Lloyd, Dave Calvert, John Ince,
Mike Reilly, Paul Taylor, Alan Steele, Dave Linney,John Dobson,Bob Connolly, Mike Dunn, Norman Browne, Bruce Morton, Mike Newell, Dave Ockenden, Mike Frank, Fred Telford, Neil Tunley, Alan Harrison, Trevor Murray, Ian Lord, Brian Cresswell, John Hall, Pat Carroll, John Gentleman, Andy Redman, Colin Cadle, Dave Emmett, Mike Kearney, Martin Gardner, Dick Nethercott, Andrew Mukenga, Aemonn Mwelo, Ian Currie, Bobby Birse,
Sgts D Roose, H. Peters
Flt Lts, R Gibb, Pete West, Mike Sayles, R. Tomlinson, I. Hughes, J.M. Harries
Sqn Ldrs D. Headland, D. Patrick, F. Stark,
Wg Cdr E. Taylor
Gp Cpt J.V. Marshall,DFC.

Although the picture only has initial and surname I can vividly remember each and every one of the guys and their various traitss, yet I forgot the actual number of the bleedin course!! Commissioned on 15th Sept 1967.
AAaaah them woz the days.
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Old 13th Mar 2010, 16:00
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Quote from Herod:
Chris, they [the courses] were all for potential officer aircrew, but not all were direct entry. There was a smattering of people coming up "from the ranks", and very welcome their experience was too.

Thanks, Herod. Were these courses merely square-bashing, etc., or was there a bit of flying involved? Could have been there, and have often wondered if I'd have made it to the next stage...
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Old 13th Mar 2010, 22:16
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Chris, I can only speak for the course as it was when I was there (late '64 - Spring '65). At that time the course was basically officer training in various forms. A month was spent in the barrack block, lots of square-bashing, PT of course ("carry a medicine ball over my head and run round the peri-track? Of course Sergeant"), academic brushup, leadership training, RAF history and tradition etc. Then it was two months in what was known as No2 Mess, where we were given the chance to learn to behave like officers, whatever that meant. Finally a month in No1 mess, where we were effectively officers, although still very much on probation. All through this period there was a continual round of the leadership etc and continuous assessment. At that time the flying training was ab initio jet on the Jet Provost, so there was no flying until after commissioning, when one went to Acklington, Church Fenton, Leeming or (if you were lucky, like me) Syerston. Soon afterwards I believe that the primary training reverted to the Chipmunk, and that may have been at Cerney (?). Hope that helps, the details are a little lost in the fog of time.
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Old 13th Mar 2010, 22:42
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You forgot to mention the 'Safari' to the Breckon Beacons - in January!!!
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Old 13th Mar 2010, 22:58
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Aah yes, and Stricker's Hill. Last one back down being sent up again to fetch the book. Ice on your boots in the morning. How could I forget?
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Old 14th Mar 2010, 07:47
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South Cerney

Hi Herod,
We must have been at Cerney at almost the same time, I graduated on 211 course first half of 1965, then did a month or so on the Chipmunk before going to Leeming on the JP. My Cerney course had to move out up to Shawbury half way through, as the World Gliding champs were on that year. I remember No 2 Mess quite well, learning to be have like an officer, but still not really one at that stage. I thought the main Mess at Cerney was a very grand building & it was nice to be there as an Officer (be it a very junior & inexperienced one) while we got to grips with the Chipmunk.
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Old 14th Mar 2010, 09:10
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Hello Herod
Sounds like you were on 205 (13th Oct 64 - 5th Mar 65.)
Same as me.
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Old 14th Mar 2010, 11:58
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Aah, Flt Sgt Maunder - a very imposing gentleman. I began on 24 Jan 62, but can't recall the course number. Finished on 6 Jul, after a deserved re-course -then off to Syerston (157 Cse?) - then Vampires at Linton. My God - 48 years!!
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Old 14th Mar 2010, 15:37
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Hi Old Fart and Jindabyne. No, slightly later than both of you. 207 at Cerney (Dec '64 - Apr '65) then 169 at Syerston (May '65 - May '66).
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Old 14th Mar 2010, 16:25
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South Cerney, Church Fenton and Outward Bound

Hello, not sure exactly when AOTS moved from South Cerney to Church Fenton but it must have been a year or so before I arrived at Church Fenton by the sound of it. Some of the instructors names I have seen on here I recognise, including DI Sgt. Barnes, excellent fellow.
Prior to starting AOTS I was one of the lucky ones to go on an Outward Bound course, presumably for "character building" and general fitness. Well I considered myself lucky but maybe not everyone did. In my case it was a winter course at the mountain school in Eskdale in Cumbria which personally I thoroughly enjoyed, having got a taste of that kind of thing the previous year at the sea school at Burghead, near Lossie and Kinloss.
I arrived at Church Fenton in the Jan of 68 to draw kit etc. for a few days before going off to Eskdale.
It was a senior course at Eskdale so there was a little more freedom and you were sometimes allowed to leave the school of an evening, if you had the energy, and visit the village.
The weather I remember as being very cold in the mountains but luckily many clear sunny days which was great.
After the course it was back to Church Fenton for the real business of AOTS, unfortunately can't remember the course no., and after that I moved on to Linton.
The Chipmunks from Cerney were at Fenton then for those that spent time on them before the JP.
Good times.
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Old 14th Mar 2010, 22:39
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talk about thread creep! Is there anyone out there who was on 230 Course?
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Old 14th Mar 2010, 22:49
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I was - and I'm Spartacus as well
I was Athens house at Southend High if that helps.

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Old 15th Mar 2010, 08:28
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talk about thread creep! Is there anyone out there who was on 230 Course
Good fun tho!
I was on 198/199. Remember Flt/LT Russell
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Old 15th Mar 2010, 14:09
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What are you on about? Your initial post said -

Anyone from any course is more than welcome!
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Old 15th Mar 2010, 17:23
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I should have said "Anyone but you Jindy" But too late now!

Any mention of thread creep seems to keep a thread alive. Just amazed that anyone reads a thread from the beginning!! Don't you have anything better to do these days?
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 00:17
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Hi Rogerg,

I remember Flt Russell, he was a Flt Cdr (not mine) on 211 course, we finished June?? 65. He had quite a reputation for being a hard so & so & did not suffer fools at all, but pretty fair all the same. Our paths crossed many years later at Manby of all places, I think he had just been promoted to Sqn Ldr, so we sunk the odd ale together.
Great to see all the various messages being posted from the Cerney days, certainly a long long time ago.
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 08:11
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I assume that a fair few of us ex Cerney chaps ended up in the V force?
This is just a reminder for next month.

V-Force Reunion

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Old 16th Mar 2010, 08:45
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More Creeps

This time from 202 Course.

From an old photo, here are the names of my course.

As Cadets:

T Turnbull, JM Donelly, GW Hawkins, CE Banks, MW Tingle,M Bowman, JP Gallagher, SA Smith, DB Marshall, RD Cocksedge, DW MacKenzie, LT Wilcox, AL Wickens, CCI Bolton, PE Barnes, MP Baker, JS Chapman, MH Preston, IE Frost, GA Agnew, TV Morris, BJ Giblin.

On the Staff:

Sgt NR Biggam, F/O i Ross, F/L DR Ikin, F/L MW Cook, F/L GF Poyser, S/L DW Bowman, G/C PG Ottewill, W/C JA Ryan, S/L G Campbell, F/L AG Bridges, F/L BS Woodward.

No future CAS's there as far as I recall!

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Old 16th Mar 2010, 10:17
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Even more creep.

204 Course.

D.R. Dennis, C.T. Hayman, J.H. Haines, A.C. Gilbert, J.T. Morgan, D.G. Reynolds, D.J. Griffiths, F. Tirnan, P.M. Millikin, O.M. Hammond, H.R. Harper, A.J. Lever, T. Lightburn, G.S. Morton, M.C. Mahoney, I.F. Davidson, B.N. Flowerdew, A.W. Cowan, K.M. Douglas, D.K. Norris, M.F. Robinson, B.A. Bailey, A.A. Mcbrearty, M.J. Selves, G. Alexander, G.H. Laurie, R.D. Wenzel, E.R. Newall, B.D. Jewell, M.J. Bruce, F.C. Denton, D.A. Wheeler, A.t. Miller, M.J Monk, G. Thomas, A.E McGregor, T. Buddin, C.S. Thomas.

Sgt Fletcher, Flt Lt MacCallum, Flt Lt Greenslade, Sqn Ldr Turner, Wg Cdr Ryan, Flt Lt Glidle, Flt Lt Hall, Flt Lt Smith.
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Old 16th Mar 2010, 17:57
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Lou Scannon

Now you mention it I think that it was 153 Course that was on. We were told to report to a 'Briefing Room', I think it was actually the Airmen's Mess, not sure, by a 'Flt Lt' (unknown to us it was a previous Course member dressed up in battledress or No 1 with appropriate rank) who then briefed our course and what was expected of us while the rest of his course upturned our room and and threw the contents of our cases about the room.

My satisfaction came a couple of years later when I had qualified as a Navigator and was holding, ready to go onto Valiants, on the Coastal Command Communications Flight at RAF Bovingdon on Ansons. We flew down to Biggin Hill one day on a job and while waiting in the Officers' Mess Ante Room I saw the pseudo Flt Lt sitting there, didn't approach him but asked around and found out that he was for the chop and awaiting to leave the RAF.

I did smile. Then flew off without saying goodbye, although tempted!.
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