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A Squared 5th March 2020 18:43


Originally Posted by Neufunk (Post 10704045)
iirc there is no such thing. You must not be 27 by the 1st of July the year you graduate. No waivers as it is in the Constitution.

None of the US military Academies are even mentioned in the Constitution, let alone specifying age limits.

A Squared 5th March 2020 18:46


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10703867)
Not making all that much headway apparently:

"Top Air Force leaders have said since at least 2017 that they were facing a roughly 2,000-pilot shortfall, indicating the situation has not improved and in fact, may have gotten a little worse."

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...lot-shortfall/


Wait ... back in August, they said they had it under control ... now they don't? I'm so confused.

Neufunk 5th March 2020 19:08

Might've got my sources wrong.

Anyway, I know that the age-restriction is pretty much unwaiverable except for some extremely rare prior-enlisted cases.

LTCTerry 6th March 2020 16:34

Maybe the USAF needs a pilot officer program. Recruit 18 year olds out of high school. (I believe the Israelis start flight school at 18.) You can have a year of higher level math and science training, 40 hours of flight school, etc. over a 12-month period. Successful candidates go to flight school as Pilot Officers and get commissioned upon graduation/wings. Then, after several years of flying they can be offered a chance to complete a degree. Without a degree they are not desirable for the airlines. Generally only about half a degree is required for a commission.

The Navy Reserve does a very good job of integrating Reservists into active duty squadrons - so I've been told, no first-hand knowledge. The USAF's reserve component flies almost all the tanker missions. Perhaps a longer reserve commitment would keep people around. They can fly a few days a month. The Air National Guard once had an advertisement with the claim they flew 40% as much as the USAF at 10% of the cost. That's only because the AF provides the schools, the airplanes, and the broader infrastructure, but there's merit.

I disagree with the "up or out" policy we have w/in DoD. Some Army Captains are great company commanders, but no cut out to be the Ops Officer for a battalion. Let someone do a career as a captain. Change the retirement system. Sometimes you need crazy ideas if you want radical changes.

A Squared 7th March 2020 03:36


Originally Posted by LTCTerry (Post 10704980)
Without a degree they are not desirable for the airlines.

Not having a degree isn't much of an impediment for an airline job these days.

bafanguy 7th March 2020 09:19


Originally Posted by A Squared (Post 10705488)
Not having a degree isn't much of an impediment for an airline job these days.

AxA,

And one might even postulate that it's an advantage at some levels. There are a couple of pretty good LCCs here that are allegedly very touchy about being used as a steppingstone to the legacies. If the legacies continue to be unwilling to forego the degree requirement, a person without one might look like more of a long term prospect as an employee at a LCC.

Just a theory...

A Squared 7th March 2020 18:27


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10705662)
AxA,

And one might even postulate that it's an advantage at some levels. There are a couple of pretty good LCCs here that are allegedly very touchy about being used as a steppingstone to the legacies. If the legacies continue to be unwilling to forego the degree requirement, a person without one might look like more of a long term prospect as an employee at a LCC.

Just a theory...

Yeah, probably some truth to that.

bafanguy 15th May 2020 20:21

Well, it appears the military pilot deficit has been solved...probably for several years. I suspect people are trying to get back in.

A Squared 15th May 2020 20:24


Originally Posted by bafanguy (Post 10783653)
Well, it appears the military pilot deficit has been solved...probably for several years. I suspect people are trying to get back in.

Yeah, was just following a conversation on this elsewhere. You know that somewhere, someone is going to be saying *look, the stuff we did to improve retention is working !!!! "

bafanguy 15th May 2020 20:58


Originally Posted by A Squared (Post 10783655)
Yeah, was just following a conversation on this elsewhere. You know that somewhere, someone is going to be saying *look, the stuff we did to improve retention is working !!!! "

AxA,

Yep. Chairman Barack's Myrmidon-in-Chief, Rahm Emmanuel, famously said:

“President Obama’s chief of staff Rahm Emanuel famously said in 2008, ‘You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. I mean, it’s an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.’”

The application of this principle is utilitarian and universal. Sometimes we get to laugh but mostly we don't.

https://www.lexingtonchronicle.com/b...risis-go-waste

bafanguy 24th June 2020 14:11

Looks like the USAF has come up with a new idea:

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-w...138945.article


bafanguy 27th June 2020 15:45

Air Force needs some more ideas:

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...tors-gao-says/


bafanguy 27th April 2021 14:26

I suppose everyone is having to guess these days :

https://www.avweb.com/aviation-news/...o-keep-pilots/


bafanguy 23rd June 2021 20:31

Seems nothing has changed:

https://ibb.co/xX7QV8k


bafanguy 12th January 2022 19:15

The USAF has a new program to streamline the route to a pilot position:

https://www.jsfirm.com/job/Pilot-Fix...s/jobID_901669


https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Disp...makes-history/

bafanguy 6th March 2023 08:43

Not much has changed apparently:

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...ious-position/



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