They might do a charter here or there. Their website still lists contact info for charters, but their flight history shows very little flying. In the past two weeks they just did a short repositioning flight. I do know that they need to maintain a minimum management structure (Chief Pilot, DO, Head of Maintenance etc) just time keep the 121 certificate active.

Avatar Airlines is back baby! The convicted felon (14mo served), Barry Michael, who also has a degree in chiropractic, claims to have signed an LoI with Boeing. I wonder if Boeing knows that??? 30x 747-8i aircraft to fly domestic US routes for $19. Even has an almost professional-looking info memo: https://avatarairlines.com/wp-conten...ISED111819.pdf

Need to take this numb nut down before he takes anyone's money.

He wants to use 747-8s, not triple Sevens. Says he can run a four engine plane cheaper on short two or three hour legs. Just try to wrap your head around that. I saw a web page where his VP of Flight Ops, who has both Classic and 400 Seven Four types and has been with him for a couple decades, was responding to questions about the operation. It was entertaining reading. The VP hasn’t got a medical for the last several years, probably because he’s certifiably crazy.

Sorry, my typo. 747-8i, not 777s. He claims he will own 30x by year 3 but in his IM, he has the value of aircraft assets at $580m so it would seem his LoI with Boeing is ~$19.3m each. Less than half a new Max! That’s a great deal! 🤪

Oh God, now I will have to scan this 455pg file they submitted to the US DoT: https://avatarairlines.com/wp-conten...W-EXHIBITS.pdf

In other breaking news, Sky Palace Airways has delayed its debut:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...s-to-late-2q20

Can anyone direct me to or share Breeze Aviation Group's DoT application please?
Interested to read the document.

🤔 can’t seem to find it either. It it public?

How about this ? I haven't read it because it's probably too long for my attention span:

https://www.regulations.gov/document...2020-0019-0001

The latest on Midwest Express. Hope springs eternal ?:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...head-of-launch

Annnnd there's another one:

They bought an airplane:
https://simpleflying.com/global-cros...es-first-a320/


https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/07/15/...tic-city-base/

https://www.globalairlinesgroup.com/overview.html

Never say "die". At least a pilot shortage won't be a problem now:

"Via Airlines announced that it filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy and ceased all operations on Oct. 8, 2019, due to pilot shortage..."

https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/07/26/...h-new-airline/

Start-up, Airbahn, is apparently still intending to operate (I'd forgotten about them). This link contains posts for both A320 seats(18 slots each). There'll be plenty of A320 F/Os walking the streets but captains ? Not sure about that:

https://www.airbahn.com/jobs/?source=SkyJobs.com

Airbahn now looking for a chief pilot. Maybe something's going on:

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/14288.html

The CP and DO just resigned at Airbahn. CEO is taking advantage of the pilots on the street with extreamly crappy pay.

FO 60.00 hr with 70 hr guarantee
CAPT 109.00 hr with 70 hr guarantee

No yearly increase
No 401 K

2 year training contract

They just hired a COO from express jet so I'm sure he's going to run it like a Regional.

Have they actually started operations yet? What experience level have they hired on to A320 up until now?

Under current circumstances, those hired at Airbahn may be hesitant to comment (or opine) publicly. But, I'd like to hear some inside scoop.

I was offered a job and declined. Good luck to them...
 

I interviewed not knowing their proposed compensation. When I found out, I was disappointed and declined.

At the end, I asked them to please poll the pilots working for them already (certification guys, CP, DO, etc.) and ask if they thought that $109/hr was a fair and adequate wage for an A320 Captain based in SNA or LGB... I said if they answered yes, I would be shocked. Then, I wished them well and said if they changed their minds and wanted to meet my salary requirements, call me.

If I was hiring folks to fly me and my customers around, I would hire the best and retain them! But, of course, I am a low-life 25 year airline pilot that is not hiring pilots and has no customers! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Job search continues.

Final Airbahn thoughts, I think they are addressing pilot compensation all wrong. I told them that. I declined and wish them well. The higher-ups I met seemed nice and smart. But they are wealthy people that want to take advantage of the perceived labor market. Good luck to them, but I think they are wrong on this pilot pay thing. I think anyone would that has ridden around in metal sky ships for years and years. But, for those that accept their terms, good luck to you and I wish you well also.

Merry Christmas to all!

yf,

Understand. Did you have any sense of how many people they were interviewing or how many applied ? I'd expect it be a large number under the circumstances.

They will have people leave as soon as something else better comes. Airbahn will have the quickest union drive if the CEO keeps running it as he has. He's trying to run it like his Middle East company but its not flying well with the other employees. Three other managers are fed up and looking to leave. We started working for this company with good intentions but our hands were always tied behind our backs.

F9,

Understand. But these days managements have the upper hand and will certainly use it. But nothing lasts forever...

Hi F9320, tried to send u a PM but seems your inbox is full. If you can kindly make some space and then PM me, appreciate it.

Also, anyone else who has some info about Airbahn? Thanks.

What amaze me about AIRBAHN is there always recruiting nobody calls you for the last two years and there is no information about the company

Hiring pilots is the last piece of the puzzle so there's no hurry. And the supply of pilots is endless...even before the virus added hordes to the supply. There are enough who will take any amount of abuse and neglect...and still be ready and willing when the employer decides to hire.

Appears GlobalX Airlines is moving along:

"About Global Crossing Airlines
GlobalX is a new entrant airline now in FAA certification using the Airbus A320 family aircraft. Subject to FAA and DOT approvals, GlobalX intends to fly as an ACMI and wet lease charter airline serving the US, Caribbean and Latin American markets."

https://globalairlinesgroup.com/care...ce=SkyJobs.com


https://www.globalairlinesgroup.com/news.html

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/16695.html

Not exactly a start-up carrier but this is the first I recall hearing of them. Hillwood Airways ?

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/16684.html

Hillwood Airways is a charter company owned by Ross Perot Jr. They recently fired a pilot (for his involvement in storming the US Capitol building), so they probably had a position open up.

The start-ups just keep comin': Avelo Airlines

https://onemileatatime.com/avelo-airlines/

Avelo is Xtra Airways.

Yes, I see now that Avelo is being built on the skeletal remains of XTRA. IIRC, XTRA had one 737 to keep the certificate alive ? Their jobs site mentions hiring F/As but not pilots. If they had only one airplane, they can't have had many pilots.

Xtra was hiring pilots back in December. Their hiring window was open for a very short time but while I was furloughed, I put in an app. They contacted me with 48 hours for more info but they sent out a lot of TBNT letters the following week. After everyone got recalled with Cares 2.0, many 737 rated guys who got TBNT letters got contacted again asking if they were still interested. They plan on growing quick this year.

Annnnd there's another one: Aero

https://businessinsider.mx/rss-inter...-look-at-aero/

Apply here:

https://jobs.lever.co/aero/6425a7bb-...6-d49ccb4fc27b

And here's the pilot recruiting ad:

https://recruiting.paylocity.com/Rec...ce=SkyJobs.com

Appears to be official for Breeze now:

"Breeze Airways, a new Utah-based airline from JetBlue founder David Neeleman, received final approval Wednesday from the U.S. Department of Transportation to commence operations."

https://www.ksl.com/article/50122964...al-for-takeoff

This ad from Breeze popped up this AM. Note type rating listed as "minimum" qualification. I guess they can be fussy these days:

Minimum Qualifications

• E170/190 Type Rating

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/15784.html

So here's a Q400 start-up, Connect Airlines, by a US-based company planning to operate into Canada (could go in the Canada forum but I put it here since the parent company is US although the pedigree is a mix mixed):

"Connect Airlines would be the second company formed by John Thomas, an Australian who as already created a business jet firm in the United States called Waltzing Matilda Aviation. Waltzing Matilda is based in Boston and uses Cessna Citations for clients. John Thomas believes that the market is right for a new Canadian firm that can contest business routes between Canada’s Billy Bishop Airport in Toronto and the northeastern and midwestern United States."


https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/04/10/...united-states/

And here's the pilot hiring ad:

“Airline Transport Pilot Certificate Multi-Engine Land (Transport Canada or FAA)”

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/16587.html

I keep seeing posts on LinkedIn about Airbahn and pilots going through new hire course as we speak.

havick,


Haven't seen much from Airbahn lately but I'm not on LinkedIn or Facebook.

I did see this ad from Avelo pop up last night. I don't know if this is an old ad being recycled or something new. The F/O requirements are interesting. I assume they'll get much more than this from applicants ?:

First Officer

• Eligible for an unrestricted ATP Multi-Engine Land

• Completed ATP-CTP course, 14 CFR §61.156

• B737 Type Rating, preferred

• 1,500 TT

• 500 PIC

• 500 MEL

• Meets 14 CFR §121.436(a)(3)

https://recruiting.paylocity.com/Rec...ce=SkyJobs.com

The airbahn posts I’ve seen on LinkedIn are all front director of ops or the CP, mostly showing management type pilots going through what looks like initial CADRE.

That being said it all could be a little glitter to entice more investors as being a little closer to operating? At least Breeze has actually aircraft etc whereas Airbahn doesn’t really seem to have any infrastructure?

Ads for Global Crossing popped up today:

https://globalairlinesgroup.com/care...ce=SkyJobs.com


https://globalairlinesgroup.com/care...bs.com&lang=en