Another US Start-Up Airline ?

[flyboyike]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

Looks like California Pacific has actually launched:

Still waiting for more info on Moxy and their "innovative approaches" to pilot recruiting.

Can't believe Vallas is still alive.

[bafanguy]

Moxy presses ahead:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...nserved-routes

[havick]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

Moxy presses ahead:

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...nserved-routes

Starting to smell of a Norwegian hybrid staffing method with Brazil. Time will tell

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by havick

Starting to smell of a Norwegian hybrid staffing method with Brazil. Time will tell

It'll be "innovative" !!!

[bafanguy]

An interview with Neeleman re Moxy. Notice what worries him the most about the startup. Not getting pilots but getting airplanes. I guess he's confident about his "innovative" approach to recruiting pilots:

"So what worries you the most?
Getting the planes."

https://www.cntraveler.com/story/jet...on-new-airline

[flensr]

Innovative:

1. We'll hire marginally qualified pilots and pay them only a tiny bit less than the lowest wage paid to pilots who are actually well qualified.
2. We'll hire qualified pilots away from other under-paying airlines by offering a truly competitive market-value wage.

Place your bets!

[flyboyike]

Originally Posted by flensr

Innovative:

1. We'll hire marginally qualified pilots and pay them only a tiny bit less than the lowest wage paid to pilots who are actually well qualified.
2. We'll hire qualified pilots away from other under-paying airlines by offering a truly competitive market-value wage.

Place your bets!

It's going to be interesting. JetBlue placing an order for the CS...errr...A220 to fly in house is a good sign, indicating that they're not interested in starting a "regional subsidiary". Moxy sounds a bit like Independence Air back in the day, hopefully better run, though.

[ironbutt57]

soon enough the pendulum will swing, and the airlines will begin their traditional down swing "right-sizing", and this airline will be in the right position to pick up the small pieces...Neelman is no fool...

[ironbutt57]

Originally Posted by havick

Starting to smell of a Norwegian hybrid staffing method with Brazil. Time will tell

exactly...

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by USERNAME_

Pakistan's AirBlue opening up a U.S. airline?

Any day now !! The excitement builds :

Airbahn: New Website Coming Soon!!

https://newsroom.aviator.aero/airbah...nned-for-2019/

[bafanguy]

I suppose this doesn't sound exactly like a "US" start up but they are starting a US base. What airline are they talking about...Norwegian ? I can't keep track of what they're doing:

“First 2 Resource is seeking EASA Licensed B737 Captains & First Officers for our newly established European Client for their Base in Miami for a 6month renewable contract.”


https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/14244.html

[SeaArrrrrrJay]

Originally Posted by flyboyike

It's going to be interesting. JetBlue placing an order for the CS...errr...A220 to fly in house is a good sign, indicating that they're not interested in starting a "regional subsidiary".

The new JetBlue pilot CBA prohibits regional subsidiaries.

As for Moxy recruiting, they'll probably offer something like stock options to make up for the lower pay.

[bafanguy]

What's this about ? No mention of citizenship or pertinent details:

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/1782.html

[ShamrockF]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

What's this about ? No mention of citizenship or pertinent details:

https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/1782.html

Looks like a European charter from a US/Canadian operator. Some US/Canadian airlines provide up to 7 months operations for summer months (e.g. Sunwing / Sun Country). The 8th month would probably be one to get the crew trained up.

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by ShamrockF

Looks like a European charter from a US/Canadian operator.

I don't understand why they just don't say who the airline is. What's the big secret ?

Wouldn't an existing operator just use their existing pilot group for a series of seasonal charters ?

Wouldn't a Canadian operator be looking for Canadian pilots ? Unless they were going to get temporary license validations for FAA licensed pilots to fly C-registered airplanes ?

Sunwing is advertising for pilots but it appears to be the permanent variety:

"A career at Sunwing Airlines means you can be the difference by joining a dedicated and caring team that is part of North America’s largest vertically integrated travel company. Sunwing is a large airline, with a close sense of community which will make you love going to work everyday! "

https://jobs.jobvite.com/sunwing/job/oVrE9fwT

[bafanguy]

And they just keep coming. Here's the latest. While I don't think they'll have much trouble finding pilots, it's a bold move for experienced people to leave a secure gig and roll the dice on a start up. It's paid off for some over the years but smallish numbers in the Big Scheme of things. These ventures are fun to watch:

https://www.aerotime.aero/aerotime.t...-in-the-making

[ShamrockF]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

Wouldn't an existing operator just use their existing pilot group for a series of seasonal charters ?

That's my understanding too. Perhaps they just can't get pilots from the US to work on the European summer leases. It might be cheaper for them to get FAA qualified pilots and simply give them a European base. This could save them money on positioning and relocation allowances.

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by ShamrockF

Perhaps they just can't get pilots from the US to work on the European summer leases.

The ad is intriguing but doesn't have enough info to tell what's going on. I suppose they'll find all the pilots they need but how many freelance FAA B737-800 F/Os are floating around looking for short term employment in the current US hiring environment ?

N-registered airplanes ? I assume they are.

Still like to know who the company is.

[ShamrockF]

Originally Posted by bafanguy

Still like to know who the company is.

My guess is Sun Country. They've added new aircraft and have a new owner who has an eye for cutting costs. If they make this work I reckon it would be cheaper than sending MSP based crew over for 7 months.

[bafanguy]

Originally Posted by ShamrockF

My guess is Sun Country. They've added new aircraft and have a new owner who has an eye for cutting costs.

Could be, I guess. They are represented by ALPA but I don't know if their contract has scope restrictions that would allow something like the operation mentioned in the ad. And they only advertised for FOs so where are the captains coming from ?:

Sun Country - ALPA