Norwegian 787 screening
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Norwegian 787 screening
Hello,
I'm expecting to attend a screening later this month with Norwegian air shuttle for a RCA position. I haven't been able to find much information on the interview process on line and would like to prepare for the upcoming event. If you have experience with the interview process and tips as to best prepare for it I'd appreciate you sharing your knowledge with me.
Thank you in advance.
I'm expecting to attend a screening later this month with Norwegian air shuttle for a RCA position. I haven't been able to find much information on the interview process on line and would like to prepare for the upcoming event. If you have experience with the interview process and tips as to best prepare for it I'd appreciate you sharing your knowledge with me.
Thank you in advance.
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If you go to Norwegian Airlines, your chances of ever flying for an airline represented by ALPA will be slim to nil.
The trade unions have a tremendous influence with the companies over who who is eligible to be hired.
Do you know what happened to pilots who crossed at Continental Airlines in the early1980s? How about United Airlines in the mid 1980s? Or Eastern Airlines in the late 1980s.
I am not saying that you would be considered a 'scab', because you wouldn't be.
I'm just saying that your later application at a US legacy carrier likely wouldn't go far.
You'd never be able to 'jumpseat', or pass ride with any other carrier.
And if it doesn't last, other than middle/far east carriers and corporate, your basically finished.
But think long and hard before signing up, for once you do, there's no going back.
Without the right to work in Europe you'd be risking a lot just for B-787 time.
Since the only other people who fly B-787s are US legacy carriers, with pilots represented by ALPA.
You will also have two years in which to gain your EASA ATPL.
The 14 written exams are not easy.
Learning a B-787 isn't either.
You can not just look at practice test questions and expect to pass.
100% of us would fail if we took them today.
You will be spending every lay over and day off studying for them.
I don't think that the airline will be holding classes for you.
You will have to study and get yourself to Orlando to take the tests.
Just scheduling them will be difficult as you'll probably be working on the few days they hold them each month.
This is a massive undertaking, and the risks against reward are very high.
You didn't say where you were now, other than 33 in Florida.
But I'd consider almost anything other than Norwegian Airlines if I were in your shoes.
Will the Norwegian UK/EU nationals welcome you, or will you be an outcast at your own carrier?
They won't appreciate you cutting in on their turf, as the ALPA pilots don't appreciate Norwegian cutting in on theirs.
I'd imaging that'd be a pretty lonely party of one.
If your in your 50s, no degree, sick of flying cargo to Africa, US/EU passport holder, then do it.
Otherwise no thanks.
The trade unions have a tremendous influence with the companies over who who is eligible to be hired.
Do you know what happened to pilots who crossed at Continental Airlines in the early1980s? How about United Airlines in the mid 1980s? Or Eastern Airlines in the late 1980s.
I am not saying that you would be considered a 'scab', because you wouldn't be.
I'm just saying that your later application at a US legacy carrier likely wouldn't go far.
You'd never be able to 'jumpseat', or pass ride with any other carrier.
And if it doesn't last, other than middle/far east carriers and corporate, your basically finished.
But think long and hard before signing up, for once you do, there's no going back.
Without the right to work in Europe you'd be risking a lot just for B-787 time.
Since the only other people who fly B-787s are US legacy carriers, with pilots represented by ALPA.
You will also have two years in which to gain your EASA ATPL.
The 14 written exams are not easy.
Learning a B-787 isn't either.
You can not just look at practice test questions and expect to pass.
100% of us would fail if we took them today.
You will be spending every lay over and day off studying for them.
I don't think that the airline will be holding classes for you.
You will have to study and get yourself to Orlando to take the tests.
Just scheduling them will be difficult as you'll probably be working on the few days they hold them each month.
This is a massive undertaking, and the risks against reward are very high.
You didn't say where you were now, other than 33 in Florida.
But I'd consider almost anything other than Norwegian Airlines if I were in your shoes.
Will the Norwegian UK/EU nationals welcome you, or will you be an outcast at your own carrier?
They won't appreciate you cutting in on their turf, as the ALPA pilots don't appreciate Norwegian cutting in on theirs.
I'd imaging that'd be a pretty lonely party of one.
If your in your 50s, no degree, sick of flying cargo to Africa, US/EU passport holder, then do it.
Otherwise no thanks.
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So, nothing about the interview process other than one's own political views, then?
It's nice to see such concern for a stranger's career, but how about answering the actual question instead of answering ones no one asked?
Incidentally I did pass all 14 EASA exams by solely using the BGS and AviationExam databases. But I also had a lot of previous industry experience. No, it wasn't easy (and it's a complete, pedantic waste of time) but it's not as hard as you try and make it out to be.
I mean, look at some of the people who hold the license...
It's nice to see such concern for a stranger's career, but how about answering the actual question instead of answering ones no one asked?
Incidentally I did pass all 14 EASA exams by solely using the BGS and AviationExam databases. But I also had a lot of previous industry experience. No, it wasn't easy (and it's a complete, pedantic waste of time) but it's not as hard as you try and make it out to be.
I mean, look at some of the people who hold the license...
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If you go to Norwegian Airlines, your chances of ever flying for an airline represented by ALPA will be slim to nil.
The trade unions have a tremendous influence with the companies over who who is eligible to be hired.
The trade unions have a tremendous influence with the companies over who who is eligible to be hired.
1. Blackballing pilots simply because they worked at a non-union airline is highly illegal
2. Not so long ago, a new US regional airline was setup specifically to circumvent a union CBA and there was a lot of resentment from other pilots and talk of union blacklisting. But in reality, pilots from this regional flowed to all of the majors just fine.
3. At many airlines, the hiring pilots are management (non-union) pilots anyway. They have seats to fill and don't care about union politics.
I think there's real resentment out there but some of the rhetoric are way overstated.
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. If you go to Norwegian Airlines, your chances of ever flying for an airline represented by ALPA will be slim to nil.
Any ALPA, APA carrier, whatever would be happy to steal a pilot from the competition.
It will hurt Norwegian and the ALPA carrier will get a current and qualified International glass cockpit pilot that NAI spent $30-40k training.
Norwegian is not a scab outfit, they do everything legally, same with the pilot's, they never crossed no picket line.
UA and AA pilots back in the 80's agreed to a B scale: Those guys are the real scumbags..
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The only thing pathetic in this thread is that someone with right to work in US is actually seeking to work at Norweign and their pathetic T and C's. Given that it is not surprising he/she is hearing crickets on interview gouge.
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Exactly. Even the US regionals have better work rules than Norwegian.
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the union thing...used t have teeth, but now it's all relegated to crew-bus comments and snickers....circa 1994 ALPA FORGAVE all the strikebreakers at Continental, and they magically went from being "scabs" to "ALPA members in good standing with unfortunate dates of hire"...think about it...
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the union thing...used t have teeth, but now it's all relegated to crew-bus comments and snickers....circa 1994 ALPA FORGAVE all the strikebreakers at Continental, and they magically went from being "scabs" to "ALPA members in good standing with unfortunate dates of hire"...think about it...
If anyone winds up at Norwegian I hope they never venture back here to complain and pay or work rules.
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I have recently passed the screening for the FO 787 FLL base. My wife's job is getting transferred to Europe so I have the right to work in EU now. The briefing packet is all you need to read. We flew the 777 Sim for the interview. Everything was straight forward and very professional.
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Hello. I was shown a copy of the contract for working for OSM in Florida. I have never seen such a document for a job. I can only imagine that it might apply to a very highly paid, very sensitive position at an internet startup, or such. When you resign, or are asked to leave, it seems to say that you cannot work for any other company that might pose any kind of competition to OSM, for the subsequent two years. In other words, you cannot work as a pilot (or other aviation profession) in any part of the world they operate after you leave the company.
Perhaps I misread it - and I cannot post it out of respect for the person to whom it was sent - but it is quite intimidating as I read it. It goes so far as to say that if it is not shown to be valid in court, it could still be enforced. There is no provision for a pay increase during the time of the contract. There is no facility for a pension contribution, by either the company or the employee. The contract is extendable by 1 year on a renewable basis, after the first three years.
I don't mean to be critical of the company, but i am curious if anyone involved has seen such a document before. I have read of non compete clauses in contracts in the US. However the restriction of two years after leaving seems a violation of a person's human right to work, and to provide for themselves.
Perhaps I misread it - and I cannot post it out of respect for the person to whom it was sent - but it is quite intimidating as I read it. It goes so far as to say that if it is not shown to be valid in court, it could still be enforced. There is no provision for a pay increase during the time of the contract. There is no facility for a pension contribution, by either the company or the employee. The contract is extendable by 1 year on a renewable basis, after the first three years.
I don't mean to be critical of the company, but i am curious if anyone involved has seen such a document before. I have read of non compete clauses in contracts in the US. However the restriction of two years after leaving seems a violation of a person's human right to work, and to provide for themselves.
