EZY vs RYR
 

Hello ladies and gents,

Just wondering your opinion on contract differences between EZY and RYR as a SO/FO. Is one clearly better than the other? Are the finer details such as crew food, uniforms, stable roster (5-4s), accommodation at sims etc etc valued or is it more the case of don't sweat the small stuff?

Is jumping ship from one to the other worth it? Or is searching for a completely different airline the better option. Interested to hear anyone's take.

Take the one which has a base at your hometown

It can depend on the country of the base and any local agreements.

In the UK I personally think that Ryanair is better if you're looking at the short term, the FO salary is better than an easyJet FO salary, even if you consider the extras you pay for at Ryanair. The fact you get a 5/4 roster can't be forgotten as the easyJet random roster in summer is incredibly demanding and full of changes, I found Ryanair to be a lot more stable.

EasyJet seems to reward those who have been at the company a long time. The captains are paid great salaries, treated nicer than you would be at Ryanair, and they receive a decent roster. If looking for a long term career with a company, I'd pick easy.

This is just my personal opinion though.

Maybe the title should be EZY vs RYR vs WIZZ.

5/4 roster for most of the year and they have just received a small bonus.

who in their right mind would choose Wizz unless you happen to live nearby one of their Eastern European bases? Anyway as alluded to previously, Ezy is for a career but we are definitely not leading on pay the first few years with the seasonal contracts in Spain and Portugal. Ryanair is for better start pay and quicker upgrade but then plan on going somewhere else later on. Ryanair has an enormous turnover compared to Ezy.

Don't even think about it, go to Easy...

Just as long as you never need to draw on any sort of sickness benefit whatsoever, use a pension etc etc.

Great headline figures, pretty shameful ancillaries.

Are we talking about UK or EU?

The differences between the various easyJet contracts can be massive

I don’t think WIZZ is (or ever will be) a direct competitor to either company in the employment of pilots.

I hope you're not serious mate.

Not until they will apply the eastern Europe mentality into western Europe. But the game is coming to an end. Bleeding pilots on a daily basis. They cannot go on like this for long.

Not yet another negative Wizz post Giuff 😂😂😂

I am specifically interested more in EASA land, but wouldn't mind some UK people chiming in to get a rounder picture too!

Thanks man. I have the duty of the truth. We all have.

Your nothing but persistent. 🙄

UK - Choice of fixed 5/4 or flexible roster, part time options now available. Pay in line with PPJN, even received a bonus. Flying between 750-850.

Wizz, is that a training outfit producing pilots for BA and Jet2?

nobody voluntarily joins wizzair. It’s the airline for brand new cadets to get 500-1500 hours on the bus then shoot elsewhere and all there captains are Thomas cook/monarch lot who got picked up after they went bust and are either too lazy or old to go to another airline. Saying that around 10-15 captains have left for J2 this year.

And AF, LH (groups) and the ME3 too now 👍🏻

Could say the same for EZY currently

UK wise-
Non rated FO you pay your rating at EZY, you dont at RYR.
FO pay is better in the short term at RYR.
Quicker command at RYR.
5-4 regardless (and except during training) at RYR.
EZY have a long standing and fairly rock solid union membership and associated CC.
RYR have come on leaps and bounds on the union/CC side in the last 7 -8 years, which has resulted in high basic pay and low productivity pay(used to be the opposite). Easyjet has already been on that spectrum for years in terms high basic etc…
Easyjet get decent LOL, and quite a decent loyalty bonus and far superior pension. Thats a work in progress for the Ryanair CC. I.E. LOL and loyalty doesn't exist.
RYR pension- Captains 8k matched and FOs 3K matched.
If you lose your medical in RYR you get 6 months full basic salary- then your on your own i.e. potentially remain on the books but no pay.
In RYR 2 sick days can be self certified per month (full pay). 3 and above, requires DR cert (full pay).
RYR Death in Service benefit is double basic:
230K ish for Captains and 116K ish for FOs.
This applies to any UK pilot directly employed by RYR and if anything untoward happens in or out of work. Not sure on the above for EZY.
Base wise in RYR: UK passport holder ( Ireland, UK or Morocco)
EU passport holder: Take your pick (seniority depending) from 95ish bases (best net pay is Italian CLA).
Working day off UK in RYR :
Captain: £1000 plus sector pay.
FO: £500 plus sector pay
Not sure what this is at EZY.
Staff Travel : Jumpseat to commute to and from base is free when in Uniform.
Unlimited standby tickets for you, partner (don’t have to be married) and children under the age of 21.
6 Confirmed return tickets per year. These can also be given away to family or friends on a standby basis.
Standby tickets can be booked 2 hours 45 before flight.
At the moment UK FOs who upgrade remain in the UK if they so wish due to demand.
I know nothing about WIZZ, and quite frankly I dont think I will ever want to.
Hope that helps.

Cheers lazy, really good info. If anyone has similar for the EASA side, please feel free to share!

EASA does not mean much, every country has a different CLA, with big difference in taxes, social security, pension systems, legislation, etc

For the UK Ops, are all elements of the pay contractual (as in non discretionary)?

Of course they are, why wouldn't they be?
The only non contractual item I can think of is staff travel, for what it is worth. And discretionary shares, which are granted only on particularly good years.

I totally understand, however any examples or specifics would be better than nothing to get an idea of the state of affairs in either company

Thanks. Just looking for a comparison with Jet2 (I appreciate that the thread is EZY Vs RYR so apologies) where the bonus makes up a decent part of the package but is entirely discretionary. The contractual package at EZY must be a good bit bigger.

I'll take the german contract as an example. It is not the best nor the worst in EU land, but just to give an idea.
Recently signed deal, with an average of 35 sectors per month, 650-ish hours per year, which is the average from what I gather from all my full time collegues I speak to.

Cpt with 5 years in the company all in around 206k-ish, 10 years in the company 215k-ish.
SFO (that's arounf 4 years in the company if starting as a cadet), 112k-ish.
All gross, including sector pay, loyalty bonus etc

I don't have the SO/FO at my fingertips, sorry.

Differences are not huge between countries money wise, but taxation can be, depending on your residence and family status.

Thank you dirk, very useful info. If anyone has anymore to share, please keep them coming!