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MegaFlyCraft 6th November 2023 15:44


Originally Posted by A320LGW (Post 11530708)
I think I heard colleagues saying STN was actually free parking, but don't quote me on that, it's normal to pay at most bases

STN is free parking, you just need an airport ID to access it, which is also free

Prob30Tempo TSRA 7th November 2023 14:42


Originally Posted by MegaFlyCraft (Post 11534455)
STN is free parking, you just need an airport ID to access it, which is also free

That's good to know , thanks

Do the G reg aircraft always fly the same routes it does it alter day in day out ?

Broomstick Flier 7th November 2023 14:55

Can anyone provide a rough estimate on the take-home money for an STN-based F/O? Something between 3.5K to 4K quid?

MegaFlyCraft 7th November 2023 15:06


Originally Posted by Prob30Tempo TSRA (Post 11534954)
That's good to know , thanks

Do the G reg aircraft always fly the same routes it does it alter day in day out ?

The routes vary very little, some seasonal changes, but the majority of the time it's the same limited places that are flown by G reg aircraft

MegaFlyCraft 7th November 2023 15:11


Originally Posted by Broomstick Flier (Post 11534962)
Can anyone provide a rough estimate on the take-home money for an STN-based F/O? Something between 3.5K to 4K quid?

About 3.5 to 4.5k, add .3k if you have both Irish and UK licence

A320LGW 7th November 2023 15:51

56500 annual basic, 5000 pilot allowance, 5500 dual license allowance (if you've got a uk caa license too), around £10/sbh, there's also a London allowance but I can't remember what it is, about £100 extra a month net I think it was

Essex lad 8th November 2023 11:42


Originally Posted by Broomstick Flier (Post 11534962)
Can anyone provide a rough estimate on the take-home money for an STN-based F/O? Something between 3.5K to 4K quid?

Basic : £56500
Allowance: £5500
Annual leave: £2897 (28 days x £103.45)
Sector: £8662 (850 hrs x £10.19)
Pension: £3000
STN/LTN: £3000
allowance

Dual licence add £5000 if you have both EASA and UK licences

Basic increases £1500 every April. Stick all that in a UK tax Calc (minus pension) you’ll get your answer.

Broomstick Flier 8th November 2023 17:01

Thanks for the contributions, appreciated :ok:

Cheers

kalimera 11th November 2023 16:23

Hi all, does anyone know if I do not have a EU/U.K. passport (I have a visa that allows me to work in the U.K. only), would I be able to apply for the AFA cadet? I have only EASA license too. Thank you!

ptflying 20th November 2023 10:08

Hey guys, if anyone here is based in Italy and is willing to have a chat about terms and conditions, would appreciate if you could dm me

Sjef van Oekel 13th December 2023 03:16

Is the UK sector pay tax free? If not, what tax free allowances are available for pilots joining an UK base who are not British and not resident in the UK?

IRRenewal 13th December 2023 14:49

That is not really a Ryanair specific question and is probably better asked in a financial forum, however you could start here:

https://www.gov.uk/tax-uk-income-live-abroad

Jonnyknoxville 13th December 2023 19:29


Originally Posted by iamryranair (Post 11519404)
Hi All,
Reading through this forum and want to highlight a couple of things;
  • DEC Assessments take place weekly in STN, if you are successful you will be offered a position within 5 working days, you apply on careers.ryanair.com
  • UK Captain Salary is £147k or £144k if regional (if dual licence rated)
  • Basic £108,000 Allowance (uniform, parking, loss of licence, or do whatever you want with it) £6,000 A/L pay £2,897 Sector pay £14,714 (based on 850 avg hours) Pension £8,000 London Allowance £3,000 Total £142,611 Dual licence Allowance £5,000 Total inc DLA £147,611
  • The psychometric assessment is provided by AON - If you successfully join a course, this is reimbursed in full
  • Its a fixed 5/4 roster for duration of your Ryanair career
  • For Non-Type Rated Captains it is a €15k reducing bond (no payment reductions etc)
  • Loads of opps for fast track command & training dept
Hope that helps
Cheers

it’s a little more now
extra 2k on the allowance
and sector up to 22950 based on 850 hrs

IRRenewal 13th December 2023 22:19


Originally Posted by Jonnyknoxville (Post 11556091)
it’s a little more now
extra 2k on the allowance
and sector up to 22950 based on 850 hrs

Currently out for ballot so a bit premature I'd say. Ballot closes on the 21th

rotorwills 15th December 2023 08:03


Originally Posted by iamryranair (Post 11519404)
Hi All,
Reading through this forum and want to highlight a couple of things;
  • DEC Assessments take place weekly in STN, if you are successful you will be offered a position within 5 working days, you apply on careers.ryanair.com
  • UK Captain Salary is £147k or £144k if regional (if dual licence rated)
  • Basic £108,000 Allowance (uniform, parking, loss of licence, or do whatever you want with it) £6,000 A/L pay £2,897 Sector pay £14,714 (based on 850 avg hours) Pension £8,000 London Allowance £3,000 Total £142,611 Dual licence Allowance £5,000 Total inc DLA £147,611
  • The psychometric assessment is provided by AON - If you successfully join a course, this is reimbursed in full
  • Its a fixed 5/4 roster for duration of your Ryanair career
  • For Non-Type Rated Captains it is a €15k reducing bond (no payment reductions etc)
  • Loads of opps for fast track command & training dept
Hope that helps
Cheers


This is not accurate and should be regarded as misleading in many respects. We all know that they are desperate for skippers, and the complete lack of any upgrades for their cadets and first officers due to no training staff means that they are even more desperate for lfs recruitment. The training departs are running with skeleton staff and the rate of departure is telling. New terms and conditions still keeps Ryanair as the poorest paid of the bunch. Only redeeming element appears to be their 5/4 roster. Just be aware that if you are expecting a LHS from the rhs, it's not going to happen for at least another few years. Many of the FO's are fed up with their promises and are seriously set to move on. Ryan doesn't care as they are filling up these losses with cadets rolling in. Would not be surprised to discover that the entry fees may be reduced to compensate. They need aircrew for their proposed expansion plans. If I was part of their terms ballot I would be turning it down as it's not exactly generous by any stretch of the imagination.

BoeingLudo737 15th December 2023 11:47


Originally Posted by rotorwills (Post 11556820)
This is not accurate and should be regarded as misleading in many respects. We all know that they are desperate for skippers, and the complete lack of any upgrades for their cadets and first officers due to no training staff means that they are even more desperate for lfs recruitment. The training departs are running with skeleton staff and the rate of departure is telling. New terms and conditions still keeps Ryanair as the poorest paid of the bunch. Only redeeming element appears to be their 5/4 roster. Just be aware that if you are expecting a LHS from the rhs, it's not going to happen for at least another few years. Many of the FO's are fed up with their promises and are seriously set to move on. Ryan doesn't care as they are filling up these losses with cadets rolling in. Would not be surprised to discover that the entry fees may be reduced to compensate. They need aircrew for their proposed expansion plans. If I was part of their terms ballot I would be turning it down as it's not exactly generous by any stretch of the imagination.

Since you are saying it's misleading, what are the salaries to the best of your knowledge? Looks like you just spread rumours

rotorwills 15th December 2023 14:58


Originally Posted by BoeingLudo737 (Post 11556975)
Since you are saying it's misleading, what are the salaries to the best of your knowledge? Looks like you just spread rumours


As you represent Ryanair I shall say that you and IamRyanAir indicate that salary levels that are constructed with inflated add ons. Anyone who has grey matter can see that they are misleading. However the really big statement that training is flourishing is erroneous. Ryanair has a lack of training staff and no command upgrades being run as well as none planned. The recruitment is solely focused on skippers. DEC is priority. Please don't not accuse me of rumour spreading I am just pointing out the facts of the matter. I am in training and are in contact with many working in my field spread over many airlines in Europe. I have time for RyanAir and believe they provide great avenues for prospective aviation people, but let's no pretend they have terms and conditions which are competitive. Ryanair provide a route and good luck to all who chose it. It's not for every one but it's a route all the same.

Lazyturtle 15th December 2023 15:10


Originally Posted by rotorwills (Post 11557077)
As you represent Ryanair I shall say that you and IamRyanAir indicate that salary levels that are constructed with inflated add ons. Anyone who has grey matter can see that they are misleading. However the really big statement that training is flourishing is erroneous. Ryanair has a lack of training staff and no command upgrades being run as well as none planned. The recruitment is solely focused on skippers. DEC is priority. Please don't not accuse me of rumour spreading I am just pointing out the facts of the matter. I am in training and are in contact with many working in my field spread over many airlines in Europe. I have time for RyanAir and believe they provide great avenues for prospective aviation people, but let's no pretend they have terms and conditions which are competitive. Ryanair provide a route and good luck to all who chose it. It's not for every one but it's a route all the same.

You spout drivel nonstop, other than good entertaining I suggest you to go back to deliver your training because your “facts” have no substance in real life. Whatever your smoking I’d love to have a bit for a fun night out..

rotorwills 16th December 2023 13:45


Originally Posted by Lazyturtle (Post 11557081)
You spout drivel nonstop, other than good entertaining I suggest you to go back to deliver your training because your “facts” have no substance in real life. Whatever your smoking I’d love to have a bit for a fun night out..


Funny.

Scorpape 17th December 2023 06:00

Anyone with a Malta Air contract able to share what the net pay is for SFO and CPT ? Thank you!

Lazyturtle 17th December 2023 06:39


Originally Posted by Scorpape (Post 11558008)
Anyone with a Malta Air contract able to share what the net pay is for SFO and CPT ? Thank you!

depends on the country. Malta air is just an AOC. Each country has their own CLA.

Scorpape 17th December 2023 07:06


Originally Posted by Lazyturtle (Post 11558021)
depends on the country. Malta air is just an AOC. Each country has their own CLA.

Yes of course, I am aware of that. If anyone with a french, Italian or German MAY contract could share the figures :ok:

Bradley Hardacre 17th December 2023 20:24

Ryanair is a business, the prime role being to provide transport and make money, I'm not sure career development or dream fulfilment is high on their priority list, but job security is part of the package.

BoeingLudo737 18th December 2023 11:00


Originally Posted by rotorwills (Post 11557077)
As you represent Ryanair I shall say that you and IamRyanAir indicate that salary levels that are constructed with inflated add ons. Anyone who has grey matter can see that they are misleading. However the really big statement that training is flourishing is erroneous. Ryanair has a lack of training staff and no command upgrades being run as well as none planned. The recruitment is solely focused on skippers. DEC is priority. Please don't not accuse me of rumour spreading I am just pointing out the facts of the matter. I am in training and are in contact with many working in my field spread over many airlines in Europe. I have time for RyanAir and believe they provide great avenues for prospective aviation people, but let's no pretend they have terms and conditions which are competitive. Ryanair provide a route and good luck to all who chose it. It's not for every one but it's a route all the same.

What add ons are you referring to? Salaries can easily be checked with current crew. You are spreading rumours including the fact that there are no command upgrades which is simply not true. I don't represent RYR... IamRyanair seems a legit account and the info they have provided seem correct

Lazyturtle 19th December 2023 07:23

i am based in Italy but the numbers is correct, however the voting over the new (UK) deal should finish today. That would make a non-training Captain on 157800£ yearly.

the other countries are still in negotiations…

dick byrne 25th December 2023 20:46

UK
 
Figures on PPJN are accurate as per new addendum to the CLA voted through.

Golfss 30th December 2023 17:15

Can anybody advise what the salary structure is after completing the cadet TR programme? I understand salary is underwhelming initially, but increases after Line Training. I cannot find any consolidates info on initial salary, then increases after hitting milestones such as line check, hour mile stones and month milestones (if any). Say this is for a EASA licence only, UK base in case of any differences

VeeeOne 17th January 2024 15:24

I would be interested whether anyone else is in the same situation; I completed my TR several weeks ago and still waiting to be assigned somewhere for line training. Any idea on current waiting times? Thanks!

oiatic 17th January 2024 20:46


Originally Posted by VeeeOne (Post 11577986)
I would be interested whether anyone else is in the same situation; I completed my TR several weeks ago and still waiting to be assigned somewhere for line training. Any idea on current waiting times? Thanks!

When did you have your max diff training?

Scorpape 18th January 2024 12:45


Originally Posted by VeeeOne (Post 11577986)
I would be interested whether anyone else is in the same situation; I completed my TR several weeks ago and still waiting to be assigned somewhere for line training. Any idea on current waiting times? Thanks!

Many people in the same situation yes, problem is the lack of LTC and the fact they maxed the hours before the end of the year 2023 and had to take some annual leaves. It should improve soon but the pipes are clogged by all the cadets waiting.

Scorpape 18th January 2024 12:51


Originally Posted by Golfss (Post 11564664)
Can anybody advise what the salary structure is after completing the cadet TR programme? I understand salary is underwhelming initially, but increases after Line Training. I cannot find any consolidates info on initial salary, then increases after hitting milestones such as line check, hour mile stones and month milestones (if any). Say this is for a EASA licence only, UK base in case of any differences

After your initial Line check you will receive a new contract that will determine your new permanent base, type of employment and payscale. Lots of different scenarios possible and various pays depending on your country and tax system.

Before 500h expect around 3000€
Between 500h and 1500h anything between 3000 and 6000€
Above 1500h add between 500 and 1000€ on top of that.
Very hard to give correct figures but you get the idea :ok:

ptflying 19th January 2024 10:15


Originally Posted by VeeeOne (Post 11577986)
I would be interested whether anyone else is in the same situation; I completed my TR several weeks ago and still waiting to be assigned somewhere for line training. Any idea on current waiting times? Thanks!

I'm also waiting for base to do the LT, just out of curiosity what base did you ask for? I understand that plays a role in how long you wait since there are bases with enough LTC's whilst most bases don't

VeeeOne 21st January 2024 15:17

I completed my Max differences training at the beginning of this month. I asked for any base in the UK (No preference). How long have you been waiting since completion of the Max Differences sim?

aerodestination 30th January 2024 12:15

I was listening to Mark Duffy on a podcast about hiring pilots in Brasil. I was surprised when he mentioned the immense numbers of recruited pilots this year compared to the total pilot population.


7000 total RYR pilots
2500 hired pilots this year. Whereoff 1300 cadets.

That is 35% of the entire RYR pilot population which was hired last year. What a crazy pilot overturn at the moment.

ptflying 31st January 2024 09:08


Originally Posted by VeeeOne (Post 11580515)
I completed my Max differences training at the beginning of this month. I asked for any base in the UK (No preference). How long have you been waiting since completion of the Max Differences sim?

not too long mate, i just did the Base training 1 week ago! Hope you get called soon. From what i hear its between 2-3 months from the day you have your lst. This is all dependant on several things though

Singapore777 31st January 2024 11:44


Originally Posted by ptflying (Post 11587214)
not too long mate, i just did the Base training 1 week ago! Hope you get called soon. From what i hear it’s between 2-3 months from the day you have your lst. This is all dependant on several things though


so are you literally just sat on pay (I.e the AFA 16.8k) doing nothing whilst you wait for line training?

oiatic 31st January 2024 21:13


Originally Posted by Singapore777 (Post 11587290)
so are you literally just sat on pay (I.e the AFA 16.8k) doing nothing whilst you wait for line training?

Yes we are...

Singapore777 1st February 2024 07:22


Originally Posted by oiatic (Post 11587575)
Yes we are...

that’s remarkable. Staff on pay doing nothing.. that surely keeps MOL up at night.

does base training have to be done by a certain point after the LST? I.e they couldn’t delay BT until they were ready for your LT to avoid having to pay you for a few months to do nada

VeeeOne 2nd February 2024 10:37


Originally Posted by Singapore777 (Post 11587778)
that’s remarkable. Staff on pay doing nothing.. that surely keeps MOL up at night.

does base training have to be done by a certain point after the LST? I.e they couldn’t delay BT until they were ready for your LT to avoid having to pay you for a few months to do nada

I might be incorrect, but I believe it's 21days

pilot2021 4th February 2024 10:31


Originally Posted by Golfss (Post 11564664)
Can anybody advise what the salary structure is after completing the cadet TR programme? I understand salary is underwhelming initially, but increases after Line Training. I cannot find any consolidates info on initial salary, then increases after hitting milestones such as line check, hour mile stones and month milestones (if any). Say this is for a EASA licence only, UK base in case of any differences

Everything will be written on your contract


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