No type rating ?
 

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I think the clue is in the genteel expression "... above the clouds ..." (Fourth paragraph of the Zenon advert ) https://www.zenon.aero/jobs/5171-vir...econd-officer/

No mention of type ratings or bonds etc. I guess you get a company-specific, non-portable ticket that would be useless elsewhere, and won't get you any P1S time either.

I would be pleased to be told it ain't so.

LFH
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Exactly
Also specifically states supporting the Capt & FO, that would highly suggest being a cruise pilot, to me anyway

"Supporting the Commander and First Officer, you’ll provide consistent operational excellence above the clouds"

Here’s an idea. Just throwing it out there. If you’re genuinely interested show a bit of determination and phone up Zenon and ask? Or just slate UK opportunities from afar before having any facts?

Anyone got any idea on what they would be paying second officers? the post only says competetive

Top cadet pay scale is circa £44k and bottom FO is circa £63k . Guessing it will be somewhere in between , probably more likely to be nearer the bottom of those two !!!!

Second officer starting salary is 59k.

Can I ask were you came about this info? A Virgin recruiter my mate messaged directly didn’t even know this info at this stage.

Cheers

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....99995ef30a.jpg
This may be out of date already, and found above in this forum, but no SO position showing, possibly around the same as CDT figures?

Well we did ask but were ignored which I understand is industry standard until you have been personally registered as an applicant, and then some.

They all say 'competitive'. ... Well they would, wouldn't they ?

In this case, the word in our pub last Friday is that no decision about pay scales for Virgin Cruise Pilots has yet been made. They are waiting to see how many applicants they attract before deciding how low they can afford to pitch the pay.

LFH

It was posted above £59k.

I can confirm that is what I was told on the phone as well.
SO cruise pilot
£59k year 1
£60k year 2

When you move to FO you move to first pay point.
The only real benefit is seniority when it comes to command.
You would be ahead of an FO/SFO if they joined after you.

No it’s not. It’s actually closer to the truth than you realise!
Feel free to wear high heels and make up guys!

I stand by what I said. A forward thinking stance from Virgin, quickly replicated elsewhere.

Welcome to the world where people are (hopefully) not restricted to antiquated gender norms or stereotypes and do not have to kowtow to narrow minded dinosaurs, in or out of the flight deck.

The problem for Virgin is that whilst it's become socially unacceptable for people to openly disagree with their virtue signalling, the company relies on people buying tickets to stay afloat. As this is a thread about recruitment and pilots making career moves into the airline, it is important to highlight that a significant number of people/dinosaurs either disagree with Virgin's stance or are fed up with being preached to and told what to think, and will actively avoid flying with Virgin as a result. This has serious implications on job security.

If virgin is offering tickets at the right price and start/end points those old dinosaurs won’t care and will still book tickets.

I think you’ll find the vast majority of pax won’t give a sh1t so long as they are served professionally by the crew taking care of them and get to their destination relatively on time.

There will be a few people screaming about this, but the silent majority just want to get on with their lives and holidays/flights…

Hi, has anyone that applied for the Virgin SO position heard anything back yet?

Thanks

Applied on the website as instructed and was emailed the other day to ask for details and copies of licence and such to be sent on but not heard back since. (they asked friday last week)

Nope. Notice how P&O Ferries have miraculously carried on trading despite the cries of a boycott? People don’t care in the slightest.

And if you’re that pigheaded to go out of your way to take a less convenient routing to a destination to ensure that there is no way that a male cabin crew member serving you could be wearing a bit of mascara then you can keep your money…

Some will choose not to fly with VS because of the new policies, others will probably find it a reason to book.

The remaining 99% won't give a **** and will book for the usual reasons people always do.

As a potentially new joiner, I'd more concerned by the chronically fatiguing rosters than whether the he/him pronoun crew member bringing the tea is wearing heels or not.

I guess the old interview question about “what would you do if the Captain turned up in the lobby wearing a dress?” has been removed? Or amplified?

Exactly this. Trip patterns are awfully fatiguing, the recent sleep survey results have said “everything is fine” despite repeated safety and fatigue reports. The mantra on the flight deck was “it’ll get better because it has to”, now the chat is “where are you applying to?”.

It cannot be emphasised enough how horrific rostering is at the moment. I thought it would get better with recruitment but even if we achieve the target recruitment numbers, we still can’t fly the summer program.

New joiner courses being cancelled left right and centre because they can’t fill the spots. The secret is out that Virgin is a totally crap place to work now and I think it’s going to get worse.

Middle Eastern rostering and management ethos with poverty pay.

Go in with your eyes wide open.