bmi bid form
 

The bid form seems full of pitfalls !

Does anyone have any advice , please , especially re the baby option ?

Just wait and see what developes. Although it looks like the mainline could be baby conditions with a different colour scheme on the aircraft

Count von Altibar suggests that mainline could be baby conditions with a different colour scheme on the aircraft .

There seems to be an assumption that we , the workforce , have no part to play in establishing what our terms and conditions will be . We should'nt "wait and see what develops" , we should take an active part in developing our future conditions .

Waiting + seeing what develops = TOO LATE .




(not getting at the Count personally--apologies that it might read that way !)

Anthony,

Sorry to hear about your frustration concerning the bid. Sounds like a tough situation.

Question for you: are airbus/fokker pilots allowed to bid for BMIBABY or just boeing pilots? What will happen with the Fokkers at EMA and their crews - will they transition onto the 737s if they already are based/live at EMA? Are the Fokker pilots screwed?

Good luck

Anthony Carn,

If you're a BALPA member, I suggest you consult someone on the CC who will try to advise you how you should bid.

If you're not a member, I suggest you join!

Chalky

Roger,

"Do the CC know any more than the rest of us ? "

They probably have as much information at their disposal as anyone, and are there to answer member's questions and give advice when asked

"Did they see the latest carnage coming ?"

No, because the Director of Flight Operations doesn't deem it necessary or beneficial to give the Pilots' Representatives a "heads up" on what might be coming. If he did, he might have avoided much of the uncertainty that his recent statements have left in the minds of his workforce while he calmly sails his yacht down to Faro.

"As one who resides in the bottom half of the seniority list, It all seems to be crystal-ball gazing anyhow"

Bottom half of the Seniority List AND getting Scale B? Can't be many people in that position.....

Chalky

(N.B. THIS MESSAGE ADDED IN RETROSPECT -- AT THIS POINT IN THE THREAD , OTHER POSTERS REPLIED WITH THEIR VIEWS BUT SUSEQUENTLY THEIR POSTS WERE REMOVED FOR SOME REASON . TO EXPLAIN ANY DISCONTINUITY , THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS DISPLAYED ON MY POSTS --"(the post which prompted my response below has been removed for some reason , but my response is still relevant)"

There has been a post suggesting that knowing what to bid for is all crystal-ball gazing anyway .

I accept that there is a large element of truth in this . The nature of the business is to blame for one thing . We don't know what hidden agendas some parties may be withholding . etc etc

But my point here is that the intelligent ones amongst us can at least put their minds to work on what the pitfalls may be and what are sensible courses of action based upon what we know at the moment . If these ideas are then promulgated amongst the pilots via this forum , then at least we are doing the best we can as a group to avoid big mistakes .

So to repeat an earlier request , please contribute any ideas you may have . Someone may come up with a suggestion which shows your ideas to be incorrect , or alternatively you may give someone else a viewpoint that they had'nt thought of .

(the post which prompted the response below has been removed for some reason , but my response is still relevant)

to KingoftheRoad

I hope to encourage any ideas from anyone at all who cares to contribute regarding the bid form . There may be ideas or twists that I had'nt thought of , or even blindingly obvious things I'd missed . It's a complex subject . It does'nt hurt to share ideas , and it may help a lot .

I think that any red herrings from wherever will either be very obvious or simply come across as daft . The main red herrings I've noticed re other discussions are attempts to steer a post off topic .

The topic here is "do you have any ideas to contribute re the bid form" .

(the post which prompted the response below has been removed for some reason , but my response is still relevant)

to BoxcarWilhomena

Just doing my best , as I see it , but thanks for the input . Could well be elimination by abreaction ! I DO feel better for it !

Contacted the moderator some time ago re difficulties accessing the bmi forum and repeated the enquiry recently . Am awaiting a reply . You are correct to point me there , of course , and I did try !I'm no computer whizz , that's for sure , so could well be my fault .

Regards

(the post which prompted my response below has been removed for some reason , but my response is still relevant)

to KingoftheRoad

The concept of rebasing to CWL fills me , personally , with nothing other than complete dread . (just my understated opinion )

I'd be giving up my present base and life in order to commit myself to a job at a location which has not , shall we say , been one of the most successful in the UK , to be diplomatic .

Should the venture fail , I would be situated in a remote location , with no decent alternatives within commutable distance .

Too many extremely valuable eggs in one very fragile basket !

bmi Bid Forms
 

Ladies/Gentlemen,

I STRONGLY advise you to get legal advice before completing your bid forms.

There are implications you may not have thought of when returning the completed form.

Remember, you don't have to return the form at all!!

MP:(

Pete makes an excellent point.

I would have thought it would be hard for them to enforce a ruling from a document they are about to abolish. Anyway, you may have posted your bid form, but what happens if they lose it? Might delay things a bit..............;)

I still fail to see how they can expect a bid to be made based on the fact that the whole systems about to be turned upside down.
How long will a bid be valid? What are the company's obligations regarding your bid? With no AFS, there are no answers to these questions. Seems to me the best course of action is for nobody to bid until the terms of the bid are laid out in black and white.

Otherwise it's like being asked to sign a contract with the small print to be added at a later date.............

Kof the R

The bid form specifies what you can bid for depending on your fleet and base. At least that's the way I read it and understand from the form that I saw.

This means that if you are on say X fleet at LHR you cannot bid for Y fleet at CWL.

How can this be a free and valid bid under the terms of the AFS?

Please correct me if I am mistaken.

MP;)

King of the Road

'tis indeed truly a can of worms. To be honest, I see no easy solutions. As I said somewhere before, everyone needs to get together and decide what is and what isn't acceptable, hopefully with help from Balpa.......the point is, it needs to done sooner rather than later.

I hear that over 100 bid forms have already been returned to the company. Don't know whats on them but I would be very suprised if they have more than a few volunteers for CWL. What a mess!.

bmi Baby bids
 

It occurs to me that by bidding for bmi Baby you are indicating your willingness to leave the company, albeit remaining within the group. This could be construed as accepting/bidding for voluntary redundancy.

Any views?

Yellow Sun

Ah, now, but, see....

You submit a bid which, in accordance with the AFS, must be considered strictly in seniority order and that alone... BUT... the form specifies who and how many may apply for what. This is in contravention of the above-mentioned AFS. The same AFS that 'they' now say they're not necessarily going to get rid of...they're only bringing to our attention that they may give notice of rescinding it. But then if they don't, the bid form will be based on meaningless information. Oh, and by the way, they won't stck to it, anyway.

Do you remember the basis of 'Catch-22'? You could be released from the US army in grounds of insanity but you had to apply for it. If you were capable of applying, by definition you had to be sane enough to fill in the form and could not thereby be insane enough to qualify for release.

Just a thought...........woof, yip!




Now see, Rita, I've kept a nice piece of topside for you.


:rolleyes:

Think I'll change my handle to Yosarian.....

Catch-22 says it all.:eek:

There is a thread on the "Terms and Endearment" forum entitled "bmi bid form" which relates closely to this one . This thread was started some days ago .

This is , perhaps , worth parallel visits to ensure that nothing is missed . You may even wish to contribute your ideas !

Note that KingoftheRoad has a sales pitch for CWL on the other forum which , it could be argued , contadicts his comment re CWL in his first post listed above ( you now seem to agree with the rest of the universe that CWL is UNdesirable , or am I mistaken , KingoftheRoad ?) . Draw your own conclusions . I would suggest that it is very important to study the views of all contributors and not just the sales pitches (and yes , I did make a lot of contributions to the other forum thread , for which I offer no apology !).

THESE THREADS WERE IN FACT COMBINED ON 18TH AUG.
THE POST REFERRED TO ABOVE HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SOME REASON , BUT MY COMMENTS ARE STILL RELEVANT.

The "Reporting Points" forum contains a thread entitled "bmi bid forms" which has just been started .

Either no-one visits Terms and Endearment or I asked the wrong question to start with . However , "they also serve who only stand and wait" , so I assume that all the visitors to this thread
have made it of some value , even if those visitors only "stood and waited" . Thanks for that .

Maybe you'd like to view both forums to ensure that you miss nothing .

THESE THREADS WERE IN FACT COMBINED ON 18TH AUG.