https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/1199...end-newcastle/

Doesn't look good, I'm afraid although not sure about The Sun...

Are those 727 unlucky pilots picked by gender? :E​​​​​​

Jokes aside, terrible news.

How about the other 4,273 other guys?

Yep, all the Head Office staff and Cabin Crew. I think it is a shame people seem to focus on "Pilots" when if it was not for the others it would be empty planes flying about - with no organisation!

Does the Amy Johnson program's political correctness and positive discrimination crap apply to other positions within the company?

​​​​​​Otherwise you didn't get the joke.

BALPA say its an over reaction and Easyjet won't find an abundance of crews waiting to come back in a couple of years time when the recovery takes place.
I hope he's right, but somehow I doubt it

The reality is that UK employment law makes it much much cheaper and easier for a company to make redundancies in the UK than elsewhere in Europe.

"UK AOC. I can see bases like Newcastle and Glasgow definitely going. The market in the NE serviced by W rotations from other bases and Edinburgh being a mega base in Scotland.

I then foresee a cost neutral relocation of crew based on EasyLIFO if you are prepared to commute. Problematic for cabin crew who are second earners in families or pilots who cannot relocate"

The above is from a previous post. I must admit i did not think Stanstead or Southend would be affected.

"The rest of the UK network is also being reviewed and easyjet is discussing proposals to reduce the number of crew we have across the UK network". This in my mind means a LIFO plus approach with massive cost neutral relocations on a take it or leave it basis. Be prepared to move to work. This is unfortunate on those who cannot or will not relocate.

I feel for the crew who cannot relocate but to a certain extent some bases have had efficiency issues due to the attitude of a small minority of employees.

Good luck to all.
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The full quote...

However, Balpa general secretary Brian Stratton said the job cuts were "an excessive over-reaction".

"EasyJet won't find a supply of pilots waiting to come back when the recovery takes place over the next two years."

Sadly he is out of touch with the reality of the situation, or perhaps just trying to be an optimist. There is a long long long line of guys&gals who would jump at the chance to join EZY when the recovery to the aviation sector happens.

And I am happy to admit I would be one of them. It's the best contract in my home country for valid reasons.
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@CCFlyerUK

"I think it is a shame people seem to focus on "Pilots" when if it was not for the others it would be empty planes flying about - with no organisation! "

What else can anyone do but focus on the information given ? It's not as if details of cabin-crew and others were given and are being ignored.

Presumably the trss loans would be written off

So the three bases closing, which base will they now be serviced by. Comms suggest Ezy will still sell flights out of these bases.

Would one be correct in surmising possibly a jet with an 🇦🇹 On the side?

Are the cuts as savage across the whole company or is the U.K. part bearing the brunt?

My thoughts go out to anyone under threat, it’s awful news, been there done that it really isn’t fun.

Having seen the split by base and role, its pretty bad everywhere in the UK.

I have just seen in the press with utter dismay at what easyjet are proposing and frankly I don’t know what easyjet management are doing, but it appears to be/have been very little. They have furloughed the majority of their staff (pilots, cabin crew, engineers and office staff) and then sat on their backsides and done what can only be described as absolutely nothing. How can it be that charter brokers are going to operators to put on services between Liverpool and Palma and also Liverpool and Faro, starting from mid July for the next 10 weeks based on the fact customers are saying there is not enough supply! These are prime routes for easyjet and they are not flying, what on earth are they doing! Not having a plan to get pilots off furlough, through the sim and back in the air was clearly not at the forefront of their minds. easyjet management decided to take the £600m from the government, furlough staff taking even more cash from the tax payer and then sit on their back sides and not even thought of a plan to get the airline back in the air again beggars belief. This is the craziest thing I have ever heard of. Not satisfied with taking all this tax payers money they are now going to burden us with even more debt by putting over 700 U.K. based pilots on plus cabin crew on benefits. Easyjet management right up to the CEO, you are a joke!

Just heard from a friend in there that in germany about half of the crews will have to go. No idea about the other continent countries/bases.

Surprising how hard the Gatwick base will be hit, considering that BA and Norwegian uprooted from there.

And what about Italy? Long-term furloughs were on the cards as early as March in MXP.

1300 cabin crew. So presumably 3000 other engineers and HQ / ground staff. Huge numbers, many of which haven't got the strength of a union like BALPA behind them.

So 727 jobs. How many pilots uk based? 1400?

So 50pc of uk easy pilots going?

Does anyone have a breakdown by base and role? is lifo?

Someone made the point about the loans above. Will they still be payable?

The clue might be in the website name?
It doesn't mean we don;'t feel for our colleagues, but there are targeted forums for them to vent their spleen.

what about Easyjet Switzerland then?

Strength of BALPA
 

Good luck with that...............

The proposals for Gatwick appears to be about 25% of the pilot force but much lower numbers for cabin, around 16%. Years ago the ticket staff were replaced with "machines" so there's no mileage in ground staff reductions, looks like the high cost work units are in the gunsights..
Gatwick airport forecast it will take up to 4 years to recover to pre-covid levels and it looks like a case of self fulfilling prophecies, are we talking our way into this mess!

I think you can forget all about joining that kind of contract in the near future.

Having pondered the proposed changes l now think LIFO will not apply as they are proposing reductions at all UK bases. So much for loyalty. Orange spirit my arse.

As feared.

"​​We will look at redeployment as part of the consultation. However given the overall headcount proposals across our business and the lack of suitable vacancies we want to be open by saying we realise it'll be unlikely that we will be able to mitigate our proposals through redeployment"

No such thing as loyalty in the modern workplace. Probably get basic redundancy payment as well.

Way back in the mists of time, the American boss of the large UK airline I worked for, decided that he would reduce the pilot/cc workforce due to one of the airlines regular financial hiccups. His proposal was to close 4 regional bases and get rid of the staff based there. He was somewhat put out and puzzled when the Union, having been largely asleep on the job, pointed out that we were a Seniority based airline and he couldn't do that. All of a sudden 3 of the 4 base closures were cancelled and most of the jobs saved, albeit with quite a few peeps taking part time to mitigate. When the brown stuff hits the fan, seniority and union are all that stands between you and the dole queue.

Those of you that believe LIFO should be used as the sole method of selection for compulsory redundancy need to understand that the law has changed. The change makes all previous contracts/agreements that make LIFO the sole method of selection obsolete.

Companies and Unions can agree to whatever they like. However, it should be within the law. When the law changes then contracts of employment should also change.

Companies and BALPA should use a matrix that could include LIFO in it.

The Employment Equality (Age) Regulations 2006 and the Equality Act 2010 refers to the change in the procedures.

This is certainly true but what else is there to go on? We are generally unknown to management and HR outside of our immediate base captain and line trainers. Will they have a say in the final reckoning? Training reports are rather generic these days with little to no text on them (unless there's a secret box we don't get to see saying what the trainer *really* thought) and I believe data accrued on Flap 3 landing, discretionary fuel etc. is anonymised, if that sort of thing could even be used as criteria.

Sickness? Number of fatigue reports filed? Number of times we've been in the shower when Crewing calls? I'm struggling to think of anything particularly tangible.

Good luck everyone.

I was about to say the same. How can they select? Lifo may not be ok but experience in hours is surely ok and that amounts to the same. This would mean that a FO that already had 1000 hours when they entered easyjet may keep a job even though they are the last to join? But this amounts pretty much to LIFO anyway.

There are always 'favourites' that will escape the cull. Some of easyjet's more recent recruits are more rough round the edges and would prob never have even been selected 10 years ago and definitely wouldn't have mid 2000s. Then there are those who have better communication skills, better educational background, more upper middle class.

I cannot see easy getting rid of the latter in favour of the former. They will surely keep more female pilots as well. Those who can least afford it and with the biggest debts will probably be thrown to the wolves regardless.

Over at WZZ so called "performance" was used to decide over 265 pilots who were let go. Now let me tell you that it was BS. It was down to individual base captains and mid managers to decide and by the way who were more than happy to run their purge based on personal agenda. Again, there are no unions whatsoever to speak of at WZZ. Wish you guys and gals the best. It's tough. I know.

The only problem with using LIFO as the sole method, as far as I can make out, is that it can inadvertently lead to age discrimination and it is that, not LIFO itself, which is unlawful. If it can be demonstrated that LIFO is not discriminatory in age, i.e. there is a healthy mix of ages amongst those with the least service, then I can't see any reason in law why that should not be the primary or even only criterion. I suppose that's unlikely given the traditional progression of cadetship to internal command but it's a thought. Somebody else here may be able to clarify that.

That would of course be completely illegal, but this is easyjet we're taking about, so you're probably right. Even in the general workforce, in the 2008-9 recession, "pale males" were disproportionately laid off, with HR managers presumably thinking to themselves "well at least these guys can't claim discrimination, so we'll target them"!

That said, in airlines generally, LIFO may tend to affect female pilots more severely, as their proportion has increased in recent years, so they are more junior

I'm based in Italy and on some sectors the PAX numbers are almost non existent. Is it the same elsewhere? Everyone I know is really scared about their job. My Capitano the other day was really low. How long can this go on?

the moment when aviation became business just like any other, and boys with finacial toys were brought in, you were already on death sentence... Money will just go elsewhere, they don't give !!!! for your loyality, for the fact, that aviation is very special operation and that it takes a lot of expertise of vast array of profiles.... I wish you all all the best....

I'm surprised that nothing has been made of the obvious safety issue here. Aside from the lack of recency with nobody having flown for four months, flying on aircraft that haven't flown for four months, with load sheets produced by people who haven't produced load sheets for four months, new COVID-related procedures (etc etc), easyJet have now decided that they want every single staff member onboard flights from SEN, STN and NCL in the next two months to have their livelihoods torn up at the end of the Summer. Did nobody consider the implications to flight safety of a base lottery policy on redundancy selection?

What exactly are you implying?

Do you mean in the 1920s when it really started? When has commercial aviation not been a business?

Don't 'shoot the messenger' with any of these extreme problems, everyone is just trying to dig themselves out of holes that they have fallen into through no fault of their own. (The real problem is the source of all of this trouble.)

Vokes55 has made a very, very, very good general point. Pilots, and every other sector in the industry, have had to face livelihoods being torn up in the past (I've had a base and a fleet shut on me, with the announcement a week before Christmas just to 'bite' that bit harder), but never, ever in such extreme circumstances, with all those additional factors, as

Tick Tock Man

Another problem with the "last in, first out", is that some of the older staff can be very reluctant vote for new temporary agreements, only because they know they won't get laid off... So where a time/salery reduction would've kept everyone working, albeit less with equally less payment, they'd rather see colleagues get fired.
Often you'd end up hearing arguments where the employee has completely forgotten that he is actually that... an employee.... who is working because the employer needs him.
Sure, technically the companies can just fire the whole bunch, and then re-hire the ones they want again.

Now I'm not against rights for employees etc, but the situation is a bit special, and the only way to help getting through it, would be to move in close with management and figure out what to do (if we want to keep everyone working).