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What you actually mean, is that It would benefit you. |
Originally Posted by SissySkinner
(Post 10640683)
My biggest concern for Virgin over BA is probably the routes, the network doesn’t seem to be that big anymore. Can any airbus guys comment on this? With a long career still ahead of me I’m slightly worried I would get bored of doing the same 15 or so LH routes over and over again.
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What is the short haul P1 issue, and why is it an issue? |
Also, is Breakfast included at the hotels with VS? I was shocked when I found out BA doesn't pay for breakfast and it's not like it pays any more in expenses
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Originally Posted by 3Greens
(Post 10640975)
What you actually mean, is that It would benefit you. |
Actually for me it would make no difference what so ever. I am quite comfortable with my position, deal and circumstance. You only have to listen to FO’s who have no interest in a command because of pay and rostering. There needs to be an incentive to get people moving forwards within the airline. The SH command issue is well known and we see ok bids for pilots with less than the minimum required experience. On the other hand we have very capable experienced pilots sitting in the RHS who could offer a lot more to BA than they currently do. It’s not their fault but the system. I would keep a open mind to how this could be rectified but strict seniority does not work. What would suit me? Not sure really but I must be happy enough otherwise there are other options outside of BA. Jet2, EZY, Virgin etc.....they all seem to have benefits and draw backs. |
Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
(Post 10641097)
Agree but the pay scale needs adjusting. We all know SH FOs declining LHS. I couldn’t believe my mate said no but when he said honestly 4 years in on SH and he gets a fair amount of weekends off. The poor pay increase plus associated lack of seniority isn’t worth it to him. |
There is already building pressure on ex-NAPS FOs to take short haul commands, with the pension transition period ending in 2023. I expect short haul commands to start going pretty senior starting from 2021/22. People will be holding out for the hope of a long haul command just at the moment, but the more junior NAPS FOs will start jumping to short haul through fear that they will not have the seniority for it in the mad rush as 2023 approaches. |
Originally Posted by bex88
(Post 10641108)
Actually for me it would make no difference what so ever. I am quite comfortable with my position, deal and circumstance. You only have to listen to FO’s who have no interest in a command because of pay and rostering. There needs to be an incentive to get people moving forwards within the airline. The SH command issue is well known and we see ok bids for pilots with less than the minimum required experience. On the other hand we have very capable experienced pilots sitting in the RHS who could offer a lot more to BA than they currently do. It’s not their fault but the system. I would keep a open mind to how this could be rectified but strict seniority does not work. What would suit me? Not sure really but I must be happy enough otherwise there are other options outside of BA. Jet2, EZY, Virgin etc.....they all seem to have benefits and draw backs. You only have to glance at the bid packs for all fleets for jan and feb to see that your hypothesis is largely unfounded and at best wild speculation. There are many faults at BA, but choice of seats and commands (and when to take them) are the biggest plus, I don’t see any appetite to change it, apart from the “I want it now” brigade. |
I took a DEC at Ezy instead of BA longhaul. The driving force for me was I'd probably never see a LH command and the SH command pay scale is abysmal. I'd have to be something like a year 15 BA pilot to earn what ezy pays from day 1 for effectively doing the same job, flying the same aircraft. It was a no brainer.
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It just seems like there is a problem when pay and or lifestyle on SH is so unappealing that people choose to delay or avoid command. Granted there is merit in SH FO’s not bidding to go LH as they are enjoying the seniority. Perhaps more tweaks to JSS could help......or maybe not as everyone will be rostered under global constraints. For what it’s worth I benefited from the 2016 junior commands, the extra pay allows me to arrange my home life so that weekend working is less of a problem and when I am off so too is my wife. Anyway.....BA to Virgin? I am not brave enough so I will just do what pilots do best and moan. �� |
Originally Posted by bex88
(Post 10641191)
BA to Virgin? I am not brave enough so I will just do what pilots do best and moan. �� |
Same !!!! different day.......maybe that’s why. :rolleyes: I say it as I see it. |
It just seems like there is a problem when pay and or lifestyle on SH is so unappealing that people choose to delay or avoid command. |
Originally Posted by bex88
(Post 10641264)
Same !!!! different day.......maybe that’s why. :rolleyes: to become a pilot to join BA to take an asap SH command You could have changed fleets and be a LH FO and have some seniority like the many colleagues you assume don't want a SH job as its so terrible. Whereas they may actually be on LH because they like it! |
Originally Posted by bex88
(Post 10641264)
Same !!!! different day.......maybe that’s why. :rolleyes: I say it as I see it. Just missed the highly paid to do |
Do anyone know what the current Year 1 Basic Salary + Flight Pay is at Virgin these days, and if a B-Payscale for new entrants has been put in place yet?
PilotJobsNetwork is running a bit thin on details at the moment :) |
Originally Posted by The Blu Riband
(Post 10641238)
You never stop moaning
Your post history is littered with random rude and arrogant posts on many a subject. I hope Bex gives your words the same disregard as those who meet you on the line do! |
Having been an observer and occasional contributor; the general theme has ALWAYS revolved around money, “weekend’s off”, lifestyle, toxic people, etc. You never achieved anything from your bickering, just stayed where you were (predominantly) and bash more. Those who called others moaners and toxic are THOSE people! Thought you folks just needed to be grateful. But making that comment would get one into considerable trouble.
Anyway, maybe now you’ll be glad you have/had a “flying” job and not ACTUALLY have to retrain or resume an old career as this is most likely for some of you HERE. No doubt you are more worried about your bills than your working conditions which probably weren’t so terrible after all, people. The question on most minds now is; ”why should (airline) keep me (over Joe/Jane Bloggs)? ‘They will keep me because I’m this, that and the other and been around for donkeys years.’” Don’t get me wrong.... I only wish you all the best and continue your flying careers. But it is entertaining to read your comments on manufacturing that holy grail flying job - captain here, captain there, SH vs LH, etc. Never considered losing your job. BA is as good Virgin, EZY is as good as TUI, RYR is as good as JET2.. you’re flying a jet (I’m sure you miss that NOW no matter what you say). You rather be a pilot than that lorry driver which gets great pay. OK, ready for you. Still have plenty of love for all aviators. |
Originally Posted by 3RDi
(Post 10745307)
Having been an observer and occasional contributor; the general theme has ALWAYS revolved around money, “weekend’s off”, lifestyle, toxic people, etc. You never achieved anything from your bickering, just stayed where you were (predominantly) and bash more. Those who called others moaners and toxic are THOSE people! Thought you folks just needed to be grateful. But making that comment would get one into considerable trouble.
Anyway, maybe now you’ll be glad you have/had a “flying” job and not ACTUALLY have to retrain or resume an old career as this is most likely for some of you HERE. No doubt you are more worried about your bills than your working conditions which probably weren’t so terrible after all, people. The question on most minds now is; ”why should (airline) keep me (over Joe/Jane Bloggs)? ‘They will keep me because I’m this, that and the other and been around for donkeys years.’” Don’t get me wrong.... I only wish you all the best and continue your flying careers. But it is entertaining to read your comments on manufacturing that holy grail flying job - captain here, captain there, SH vs LH, etc. Never considered losing your job. BA is as good Virgin, EZY is as good as TUI, RYR is as good as JET2.. you’re flying a jet (I’m sure you miss that NOW no matter what you say). You rather be a pilot than that lorry driver which gets great pay. OK, ready for you. Still have plenty of love for all aviators. No they are not all the same, at all. And even you as an outsider can see quite clearly how differently companies are treating they’re employees in this sad times we’re in. If you ever tried flying 4 legs in all kinds of weather waking up at 4 a.m. for 4/5 days in a row, for 15/20 years, I can promise you you too would have something to say. Not that you’d ever experience it anyway. If it all ends tomorrow at least we’ve done it. I suspect more than a few will end up in not-so-desirable alternative careers but such is life. It still doesn’t justify the ridiculous rostering and contractual practices we got to, nicely balanced by managers cashing millions of pounds every year from their comfortable offices conveniently hidden from any CBs WS lightning strikes and so on. But then again no one really knows anything at this stage, well wait and see what happens. If people are to fly again though, I suspect my and many others’ services will be welcome in a couple of years. |
Originally Posted by 3RDi
(Post 10745307)
Having been an observer and occasional contributor; the general theme has ALWAYS revolved around money, “weekend’s off”, lifestyle, toxic people, etc. You never achieved anything from your bickering, just stayed where you were (predominantly) and bash more. Those who called others moaners and toxic are THOSE people! Thought you folks just needed to be grateful. But making that comment would get one into considerable trouble.
Anyway, maybe now you’ll be glad you have/had a “flying” job and not ACTUALLY have to retrain or resume an old career as this is most likely for some of you HERE. No doubt you are more worried about your bills than your working conditions which probably weren’t so terrible after all, people. The question on most minds now is; ”why should (airline) keep me (over Joe/Jane Bloggs)? ‘They will keep me because I’m this, that and the other and been around for donkeys years.’” Don’t get me wrong.... I only wish you all the best and continue your flying careers. But it is entertaining to read your comments on manufacturing that holy grail flying job - captain here, captain there, SH vs LH, etc. Never considered losing your job. BA is as good Virgin, EZY is as good as TUI, RYR is as good as JET2.. you’re flying a jet (I’m sure you miss that NOW no matter what you say). You rather be a pilot than that lorry driver which gets great pay. OK, ready for you. Still have plenty of love for all aviators. I think you will find Pilots are pretty adaptable people.. Plan A, B, C etc incase the brown stuff hits the fan. Oh and I already have the wheels in motion to apply for a HGV licence.. |
Don’t forget your CPC Bravo Zulu! I’m currently doing that now! PM for details!
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Originally Posted by Bravo Zulu
(Post 10745434)
Obviously a drunken rant by the time posted and bad English but I'll bite..
Originally Posted by Bravo Zulu
(Post 10745434)
I think you will find Pilots are pretty adaptable people.. Plan A, B, C etc incase the brown stuff hits the fan. Oh and I already have the wheels in motion to apply for a HGV licence.. No, not drunk. What a waste of time that is. Good luck with HGV’s. Fingers crossed you remain in aviation though. BringBackThe80s Yeah, not frustrated. I am flying. Just pointed out the constant droning of “in-house” chatter amongst the major players. Yes, I am an outsider through choice. I did get through the waterside selection in the past. You commented “not that I’d experience it anyway”. You have no idea. But anyway, I’m quite confident you’ll be back saying “AP1”! Or maybe “AP2” ha! |
Originally Posted by Busdriver01
(Post 10659275)
Has anybody actually heard from zenon ?
Told to maybe get back in touch towards the end of the year to see if the situation improves. |
Sorry to revive and old thread but couldn’t find info anywhere else and this seemed the most relevant.
Knowing that most airlines have taken Covid as an opportunity to attack pilot conditions, and that recruitment seems more and more likely to re-open. I’d like to get a better idea of what the conditions at virgin are like post-covid to make a fresh comparison as I’m guessing some of the 2019 info above is out of date. Could anyone please shed some light of what’s changed and what the conditions are like now please? Notably: Pay, Pensions & Overtime Scheduling Culture/Atmosphere at work Thanks in advance |
What’s best? Integrated or modular?
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ChickenRiceAndPeas - also interested - Virgin apparently will have 787 courses starting in October.
I'd like to know their pay scales and rosters (the basic will be £63500) can anyone advise how much flight pay is? How long do you get down route etc I'm currently in a LCC, and really want to try long haul If anyone can help please? |
Are those virgin 787 courses as part of a new recruitment campaign or are they courses for those made redundant as part of their return?
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Most of the returners are back so there will be external recruitment by end of the year
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Just don’t
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Give a week or two, then you are more likely to get a solid answer.
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