Originally Posted by go-around flap 15 (Post 11528522)

My input - as someone that lives just on the border of the 1:30 commute time allowable by the company but chooses to rent a bolthole nearby for consecutive days of flying. Some crew commute 1:30 each way every day. I don't believe this is feasible long term as the fatigue effects on the body are unsustainable in peak summer roster periods (in my opinion having attempted it previously!)

Peak summer: (late June/July/August/early September) I generally manage 60% of the nights in a month in my own bed by driving up to start the run of duties day 1, and driving home after landing the final day. [~15 days a month of flying not incl. standbys]

Spring/Autumn: 80% of nights in my own bed a month. [~8 days of flying per month not incl. standbys]

Winter: 95% of nights per month in my own bed [~3-5 days of flying per month not incl. standbys]

Hope that helps. A word of advice though is that the company has been keen to make sure that those that live on the cusp of/outside the commutable distance as per the contract have made arrangements to stay closer to the airport before a flying/standby duty. There have been instances this year of delays due to crew pushing the limits on the 60 mile / 90 minute rule.

Originally Posted by flyboy146 (Post 11530858)

It is not legally enforceable for a company to determine where an employee resides. Even in if it’s in the contract.

Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat (Post 11530862)

Maybe not, but it is perfectly legal to require a crew member to be no more than 90 minutes travel time to the airport for rest reasons. Ask the CAA.

So you can choose to live as far away as you want but you’d better have not have travelled more than 90 mins to work if something goes wrong that day. That’s why the rule is there.

Originally Posted by flyboy146 (Post 11530867)

No doubt it is a legal requirement to be well rested for your duty. That judgement is on the crew member only. The 90 minutes is moot and not enforceable.What is the 90 mins based on? One could easily get stuck in traffic on a 60 minute journey which could then take 91 minutes - so what? You call fatigued because it’s “not legal”? Of course not. The CAA would say its based on the judgement of the crew member as it has always been and that’s why it is on the crew member to judge fatigue levels in a non punitive fashion.

Originally Posted by Jonty (Post 11531008)

What you’re both missing is where is “work”? For jet2 it’s the crew room. So if you’re Manchester based and in staff south you can actually only live about 45 mins from the airport for the 90 mins to work.
The whole thing isn’t legally enforceable, but that doesn’t really matter if you want a peaceful existence.

Originally Posted by 737 Jockey (Post 11531557)

Not sure what the 90 minutes is all about? My contract says, live within 60 miles or 75 mins of base. That’s a duty of care for fatigue purposes. Standby callout is 2 hours.

Originally Posted by k737 (Post 11531615)

It's nothing to do with contracts, it's to comply with this FTL guidance material:

GM1 CS FTL.1.200 Home base

TRAVELLING TIME

Crew members should consider making arrangements for temporary accommodation closer to their home base if the travelling time from their residence to their home base usually exceeds 90 minutes.

(My underlining)

Of course different contracts may have more restrictive rules and mine certainly did when I joined - whether those are enforceable is debatable.

To paraphrase Mr Good Cat, live wherever you want but if you have an incident then it would be wise to have proof that you didn't drive in that day from your house that's 2 hours away. I've had a letter from Jet2 asking me to consider my accommodation arrangements, as the permanent address they held for me was 5 hours travel time from my base, so they must audit it occasionally. As ever, it's unlikely to be a problem until other factors make it a problem.

I honestly don't know where it's defined, but I've always been under the impression that the staff car park is the place that matters, not the crew room (as it's so variable by airline and base). Hence why standby callout is 2 hours to the car park. i.e. 30 minutes to get out of the house and your 90 minutes travel time.

Originally Posted by dhc1180 (Post 11532282)

Has anyone here gone from EZY to J2 who can share their opinions for fellow colleagues weighing up options and life considerations for potential ship jumping, before they give up all hope entirely and just take up pig farming or become a local dog walking alcoholic.

Originally Posted by CW247 (Post 11533067)

Sorry if it's been mentioned already. What chance for the Airbus at STN in the next year?