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Stocious 12th June 2019 00:49
It's a moot point anyway if the accommodation allowance isn't available to new joiners.

Yorkshire_Pudding 12th June 2019 04:50
Originally Posted by Stocious (Post 10491648)
It's a moot point anyway if the accommodation allowance isn't available to new joiners.
Remains available to those who have purchased in the city.

ExDubai 12th June 2019 08:24
Originally Posted by PorridgeStirrer (Post 10491557)


32k AED plus 14k AED accommodation allowance totals 46k AED, which at today’s rate is €11,050/£9,850.
Standard is Company accommodation, either a flat or a villa. The only way to get the allowance in cash is if you buy a property in Dubai.

ExDubai 12th June 2019 08:28
Originally Posted by Ex-Brazilian (Post 10491607)
Just out of curiosity, about buying property in Dubai... of course it sounds interesting to get a "free house from the airline"
But how easy is to sell it when you decide is time to go home? And also putting 100k from your own money in such a unstable market... sounds discouraging. I'm not sure if I would take this allowance instead of the company accomodation. Not to mention, if you get in trouble in Dubai or EK, you will end up with a huge debt.
Yepp, a lot of guys learned it the hard way. I’d think twice to purchase in Dubai. The current political climate in the region isn‘t helpful.

PorridgeStirrer 12th June 2019 12:44
Originally Posted by ExDubai (Post 10491832)

Standard is Company accommodation, either a flat or a villa. The only way to get the allowance in cash is if you buy a property in Dubai.
Not strictly true. If you join from an another Dubai based operator, you can continue to claim the allowance.

But if hard cash is the motivator, you’d be better off joining flydubai in the first place. (Upgrade at 2.5 years). Especially for a stint under 10 years.

giggitygiggity 12th June 2019 13:26
Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding (Post 10491025)
I think If you outright reject the BA course offer for another job, you wont be offered re-assessment in the future. That door could be firmly closed.

Ps. Please come back and tell us what you have decided!
Is that an official policy? If it is then BA sounds charming. You might have a million valid reasons for turning them down at that point. If the door is to remain closed after that, then is that the kind of company you want to work for?

Yorkshire_Pudding 12th June 2019 15:54
Originally Posted by giggitygiggity (Post 10492090)
Is that an official policy? If it is then BA sounds charming. You might have a million valid reasons for turning them down at that point. If the door is to remain closed after that, then is that the kind of company you want to work for?
A colleague turned them down, then applied again a year later with no joy. Like you say, everyone’s circumstances will be different.

Emma Royds 15th June 2019 20:34
To put it as simply as I can, go to BA if you want more control over your lifestyle, or go to EK if you want quicker career progression and/or a greater ability to earn more sooner. However, as has already been said, EK is no longer as financially lucrative as it used to be.

xwindflirt 17th June 2019 19:21
Originally Posted by Emma Royds (Post 10494612)
To put it as simply as I can, go to BA if you want more control over your lifestyle, or go to EK if you want quicker career progression and/or a greater ability to earn more sooner. However, as has already been said, EK is no longer as financially lucrative as it used to be.

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.

Daddy Fantastic 17th June 2019 19:51
Originally Posted by xwindflirt (Post 10496060)

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
Exactly!! Probably a good few years before it becomes worthwhile as well, might as well have earned a lot more money with EK even though they have their problems as well.

Simply put, BA is no longer what they used to be, the airline has been destroyed.

VinRouge 18th June 2019 05:56
Originally Posted by xwindflirt (Post 10496060)

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
Thats utter cr*p. You may have less control, you still have control enough to shape your roster. If you are talking about wanting x trip on y day, sure. But if you want to build a block of free days, drop a trip in exchange for earned credit, or want a particular destination, a combination of smart bidding and trip swaps can give you this. 😎

Emma Royds 18th June 2019 06:47
Originally Posted by xwindflirt (Post 10496060)

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
Regardless of what bid system is in use at BA, there is Part Time working available and EK refuses to embrace this concept. For that reason alone, lifestyle at BA wins comfortably.

OBK! 18th June 2019 08:12
Originally Posted by xwindflirt (Post 10496060)

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
im junior and I have control....

Dupre 18th June 2019 08:27
Originally Posted by xwindflirt (Post 10496060)

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
I am extremely junior (>90% down my list) and what makes it bearable is the swapping. I get nothing i want from JSS but can often get a good roster by swapping. It helps living close to base and being flexible.

ExDubai 18th June 2019 17:22
Originally Posted by xwindflirt (Post 10496060)

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
Same like EK

BigGeordie 18th June 2019 17:33
Originally Posted by ExDubai (Post 10496868)

Same like EK
Senior Bods have not control at EK. We do not have a bidding system, we have a "roster optimisation system". Optimised for the company that is, not the crew.

BA vs. EK? I can't believe anybody can even ask the question.

ExDubai 18th June 2019 19:21
Originally Posted by BigGeordie (Post 10496874)
Senior Bods have not control at EK. We do not have a bidding system, we have a "roster optimisation system". Optimised for the company that is, not the crew.

BA vs. EK? I can't believe anybody can even ask the question.
Yepp, forgot to mention that there is no big difference between junior and senior @EK.

FACoff 18th June 2019 22:43
Originally Posted by Dupre (Post 10496410)
I am extremely junior (>90% down my list) and what makes it bearable is the swapping. I get nothing i want from JSS but can often get a good roster by swapping. It helps living close to base and being flexible.
Roster swapping does indeed help to mitigate the failings of JSS for the juniors. Successfully doing so however means being married to your iPad and obsessively checking every single open time notification to get something satisfactory (because let's face it, no-one's going to swap their midweek LCA for your weekend 2 day 6). For me as a junior, the hours I spend trying to piece together a sensible roster probably rise into double digits every month.

I don't know much about EK - the Middle East has never appealed (yet). But JSS is certainly making those in the lower third of BA's ranks (myself included) think long and hard about whether it's worth it any more. BA have historically always paid less than the competitors in the early years, but have instead offered lifestyle options and a decent pay-scale, pension and rostering system. I'd argue at least 3 out of 4 of those no longer exist.

Personally I think if you're young, and can afford to sacrifice 5 years of your life, BA might still be worth it in the long run - IF you want long haul. Bear in mind however - as mentioned elsewhere, the company want long haul trips to become 24 hour night stops in airport hotels. If that happens, there'll be no point whatsoever.

Dupre 19th June 2019 07:59
Originally Posted by FACoff (Post 10497145)
Roster swapping does indeed help to mitigate the failings of JSS for the juniors. Successfully doing so however means being married to your iPad and obsessively checking every single open time notification to get something satisfactory (because let's face it, no-one's going to swap their midweek LCA for your weekend 2 day 6). For me as a junior, the hours I spend trying to piece together a sensible roster probably rise into double digits every month.
A very, very good point!

Mrs. Dupre gets quite annoyed at the amount of time I'm glued to the ipad.

VinRouge 19th June 2019 08:50
Originally Posted by Dupre (Post 10497401)
A very, very good point!

Mrs. Dupre gets quite annoyed at the amount of time I'm glued to the ipad.
are other option is spending double digits hours on a trip which doesn’t work for you. Shotgun approach to trip swaps seems to work well via iBid messaging.


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