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GKOC41 6th June 2018 15:11


Originally Posted by crisp2 (Post 10165687)
Yes, delays mainly due to the Leap engine manufacturer and some tech issues in the tail and they can't get the ACMI over the summer to cover the operation.
Real question is it just an delay or an excuse to scrap long haul together out of BHX to focus on STN/CDG due to load factors?

Seems a bit late in the day. Feel for the crews impacted

CaptainProp 6th June 2018 19:44

Crew being let go of? Can’t imagine that but this business keeps surprising me so who knows.

CP

CaptainProp 30th June 2018 20:16

Why anyone would work for £800 / month is beyond me. If true, why don’t they just go and work for another airline that’s paying decent salaries?

CP

oceancrosser 1st July 2018 19:10

Knowing those who own and manage this "airline" nothing will surprise me.

italian stallion 12th July 2018 11:21

I just received an email from ASTA/Mountain high if I would be interested in 737 DEC position.
Don't know enough about the airline or the recruiter.

CaptainProp 17th July 2018 20:46

Just read this on a well known website for airline T&Cs where users can update information:

“Planning for the summer has totally failed and the company is now so short of pilots that lots of flights are cancelled or delayed. The future of Primera Air is unsure despite the orders for new 737MAX9”

Strange world we live in. As far as I know there are thousands of pilots in Europe. I guess it’s just that not enough of them are willing to work for the T&Cs on offer. Easy fix, increase pay and improve rosters and working conditions.

CP

gtaflyer 19th July 2018 10:57

Per diam calculation
 
can someone elaborate on perdiem of £400 for 10 units mean? Is it 400/10=40 pounds per layover?

turbine100 21st July 2018 13:40

Does anyone know if ASTA / Mountain high resolved the issues of paying people correctly and on time?

Do they pay for car parking or anything at Stansted? Has anyone left who joined as flight crew due to the roster or late payments?

Lolo75020 22nd July 2018 02:36

According to the marketing chief officer, the reason why Primera Air has ordered A321Neo is to occupy the market while the 737Max9 was not available.
They indeed increased recently the orders up to 20 b737 Max 9 ER to use them on long range most probably on the same routes as the current A321Neo.
So within 2 years Airbus fleet will be probably disappeared from the Primera fleet and be replaced by a single b737 fleet.

The only question is that : why did they order only 2 A321LR?




TBSC 22nd July 2018 02:41


Originally Posted by Raski (Post 10202625)
thats crap. I fly the neo. Never heard about any leap issue officially. Very bad to blame tech issues to hide the reality.

XFW is full of stored neo gliders for no reason then.

HundredPercentPlease 22nd July 2018 06:18


Originally Posted by Raski (Post 10202625)


thats crap. I fly the neo. Never heard about any leap issue officially. Very bad to blame tech issues to hide the reality.

I think you are the only one to have not heard about it...

EGPFlyer 22nd July 2018 06:25


Originally Posted by HundredPercentPlease (Post 10202860)
I think you are the only one to have not heard about it...

I thought the delays are for those with the P&W engine, not the LEAP

future G-V driver 29th July 2018 12:22

Primera A321neo LR
 

Originally Posted by Lolo75020 (Post 10202777)
According to the marketing chief officer, the reason why Primera Air has ordered A321Neo is to occupy the market while the 737Max9 was not available.
They indeed increased recently the orders up to 20 b737 Max 9 ER to use them on long range most probably on the same routes as the current A321Neo.
So within 2 years Airbus fleet will be probably disappeared from the Primera fleet and be replaced by a single b737 fleet.

The only question is that : why did they order only 2 A321LR?

Hi, to provide some clarity, Primera require more Range than the 737Max -9 can offer, hence the 321neo LR, for example CDG-EWR and CDG-YYZ the LR is required, especially as the Pax loads have exceeded expectations, by quite a wide margin, so if the loads are sustained in the Winter months, the LR is essential, I hope that answers your query




Hi, to provide some clarity, Primera require more Range than the 737Max -9 can offer, hence the 321neo LR, for example CDG-EWR and CDG-YYZ the LR is required, especially as the Pax loads have exceeded expectations, by quite a wide margin, so if the loads are sustained in the Winter months, the LR is essential, I hope that answers your query

eiffel 29th July 2018 13:19

Is there a base in CDG ? Local contracts? (T&C?)
How many trips/months?

Lolo75020 29th July 2018 18:10


Originally Posted by future G-V driver (Post 10209238)
Hi, to provide some clarity, Primera require more Range than the 737Max -9 can offer, hence the 321neo LR, for example CDG-EWR and CDG-YYZ the LR is required, especially as the Pax loads have exceeded expectations, by quite a wide margin, so if the loads are sustained in the Winter months, the LR is essential, I hope that answers your query

Actually Primera Air didn't receive any LR yet and they operate right now only "classic" A321Neo on their transatlantic routes. And as far as I know they can cross the ocean non stop.
The 737Max9 (with one Act) will be able to perform the same routes as the A321Neo.
So I guess that next year when the boeing 737 Max9 comes, primera will send back the airbus to the lessor.

Primera has ordered 2 LR only. I wonder why.





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CaptainProp 29th July 2018 20:36


Originally Posted by Lolo75020 (Post 10209435)
Actually Primera Air didn't receive any LR yet and they operate right now only "classic" A321Neo on their transatlantic routes. And as far as I know they can cross the ocean non stop.
The 737Max9 (with one Act) will be able to perform the same routes as the A321Neo.
So I guess that next year when the boeing 737 Max9 comes, primera will send back the airbus to the lessor.

Primera has ordered 2 LR only. I wonder why.

Max9 - typical 2 class seating 178-193, 6570 km range

321neo - typical 2 class seating 180-190, 6900 km range

321neo LR - 7400 km range.

In other worlds, both the neo and the neo LR have range advantages on the Max9.

CP

Lolo75020 30th July 2018 10:40


Originally Posted by CaptainProp (Post 10209544)


Max9 - typical 2 class seating 178-193, 6570 km range

321neo - typical 2 class seating 180-190, 6900 km range

321neo LR - 7400 km range.

In other worlds, both the neo and the neo LR have range advantages on the Max9.

CP


Well the b737 is 5 tons lighter and can carry up to 500kg of fuel more.
So even if the Boeing is less efficient than the airbus, I believe that Primera could adjust the max payload in order to match the destination on their network.
For instance they could configurate the cabin at 189 pax so 9 less than the airbus in order to be 100% flexible with the rest of the fleet and be able to reach Toronto from Paris.

For 189 pax, payload is around 17t.
If oew is about 48t then the boeing 737 can carry 23,3 t of fuel which is exactly the fuel quantity of the A321 neo. As it is 5 tons ligher, the boeing will finally makes the same distance up to 4% less efficiency compared to the 321 neo.

​​​​​So no the b737 Max 9 will not be able to match the airbus with the 198 pax. But most probably yes it will be able to reach the same range if payload is adapted. And probably this pay load will be for 189 pax. Thus it will meet the capacity of the rest of the fleet (b737-800) and the aircraft will be able to be used on the long or middle haul with no change in the booking systems.

CaptainProp 31st July 2018 17:47

More cancellations and ending operations from Birmingham completely, for now anyway.

https://www-coventrytelegraph-net.cd...d-14972951.amp

CP

Luibar 31st July 2018 19:36

With the cancellation of the short haul operation from BHX and STN, A321 crews are doing only long haul in a W pattern out of STN?

FlyTCI 8th August 2018 07:12

How the heck do they expect this to work during the winter season? Just about every take off will be with a lump in the stomach. Or are they planning on fuel stop along the way?


07 August, 2018
SOURCE: Flight Dashboard
BY: David Kaminski-Morrow
London


Scandinavian carrier Primera Air’s first Airbus A321neo has been involved in a fuel emergency incident following a transatlantic service to Toronto.

The aircraft had been operating flight PF45 from London Stansted on 24 July.

Transportation Safety Board of Canada states in a bulletin that, during the descent, the crew “declared a fuel emergency” and was given priority for a runway 23 approach.
Shortly before 21:00, as the aircraft descended through 8,000ft, the crew was asked by approach controllers as to the quantity of fuel on board.

The crew replied that the jet had 2.3t and would have 2.1t on arrival, and also confirmed 204 occupants on board the flight, with no dangerous cargo.

Controllers cleared the aircraft for an ILS approach to runway 23 and TSB states that the aircraft landed without incident at 21:10.

Primera Air took delivery of the CFM International Leap-1A-powerd aircraft (OY-PAA), its first A321neo, in April this year, part of a strategy by the operator to open new transatlantic routes from the UK and France.

It disclosed last year that it would operate from London, Paris and Birmingham to New York and Boston with its A321neo fleet, and subsequently stated that it would include Toronto in the new transatlantic network.


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