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So anyone? |
What happens to the MPL cadets?
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What do you mean?
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
(Post 10313658)
What do you mean?
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I do feel sorry for the MPL cadets ..... but more worried for the rest of them . Guys and Gals that have been there for years and have a lot of commitments |
There is no consequence. Life carries on as normal until told otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
(Post 10313761)
There is no consequence. Life carries on as normal until told otherwise.
If flybe get broken up for their slots then that poses a significant potential issue for those guys doesn’t it? |
No, this is from the past. However, the MPL training is fully geared towards the company and a specific acft. So if you're in the middle of your MPL and the airline goes belly up, I wonder what situation you'll get into.
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possibly, but then you did ask what the consequences are for current MPL students with Flybe up for sale, the answer is there are no consequences. Should Flybe go under (which imho is far off yet ) then that's a whole different question. I have a feeling we've dumped some MPLS in the past and I vaguely remember, but don't quote me, that there was a deal done with another operator to enable them to finish.
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When Monarch had problems 3 years ago, before getting bust, they refuse to recruit their own, half trained, MPL.
Training on A320, fortunately for them EZY recruited most of them. I don't know for Flybe, but if they do the MPL on dash Q400, it will be really hard to find someone to recruit them. |
On what grounds do you base that on?
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
(Post 10314323)
On what grounds do you base that on?
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Your last paragraph.
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I think he means - if there is no other airline that flies the Q400 then who will they complete their MPL with.? Not sure it would be that difficult for another airline to do a short conversion course and take the crew.
Reversethurstset - are you at flybe? what is your take on what will happen? |
It's happened before and the cadets got placed with other airlines (don't quote me but I think it was easy).
I am at Flybe but I am in my notice period, I've got nothing to gain from dressing it up but my take on it is the biggest risk at the moment is the negative press and crew levels for next summer. Flybe do have a good business, revenue is stronger than ever however the cost base is way too high so something has to give and quite quickly. I think either Flybe or a new owner will be acting reasonably swiftly to strip out loss making routes and possibly bases. We're not that far away from handing back some more embraers which will save millions per year. I think they'll do a few other things too that I'll keep to myself. I know the rough figure that the CAA will pull the plug and all I'll say is we are nowhere near that yet. I think Flybe will be ok but I don't think they'll be recognisable as they are today. Just remember this is only my personal opinion and has no bearing on any strategies or anything that's coming from within. |
Correct. There was a MON MPL course who all ended up at Easy. |
No tubby I'm talking about Q400 MPL students ending up elsewhere.
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The mpl student flybe do something like 60hr of single engine plane, 15hr of multi engine then 110hr of 737 !!!! Yes 737 but with Flybe SOP. Then they do a normal dash 8 type rating !!! So it would be easy to convert them to whatever other type rating after the 737 module. For the one already in, I spoke with some and it seems they can already convert their MPL in a CPL / IR / ME if they do appropriate training (not need to do the full stuff) or wait the 1500hr for the ATPL. |
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Buy it cheap and get great connectivity and a massive regional presence and they know how to turn flybe round into profitability! great news |
FlyBe already in a code share with Virgin... could be that they are looking to protect their regional moves to feed Virgin Atlantic?
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Blind leading the blind was my immediate reaction. |
Originally Posted by nightfright
(Post 10317796)
Buy it cheap and get great connectivity and a massive regional presence and they know how to turn flybe round into profitability! great news |
Originally Posted by RexBanner
(Post 10318150)
Blind leading the blind was my immediate reaction. |
Virgin’s proven track record at losing money alongside Flybe’s? (The two airlines historically have sketchy records of profitability and historically bankrolled by sugar daddies, both of which no longer there). I’d hardly think that’s an unfair description. (And you won’t find anyone more pro Flybe than me). |
VS regardless is continuing to operate successfully with albeit smaller than many but great presence. This injection into FlyBe has to be good news for the VS for connectivity and good news for Flybe to get a different direction. An option has to be better than nothing. Anyhow - FlyBe’s current strategy is simply not working so better to have it shrink and re grow.... either way it needs to change and someone interested in it - in one way or another has to be good news...... Surely you cannot expect them to inject money and keep running with out cuts or changes as the model at present is simply unsustainable ........ |
Gone fairly quiet at Flybe considering the recent restructuring. Has the dust settled and has there been much effect as a result of the change of ownership?
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Originally Posted by Okavango
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Gone fairly quiet at Flybe considering the recent restructuring. Has the dust settled and has there been much effect as a result of the change of ownership?
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Do they really check your atpl average?
I got 84 hehe :E |
If you are a fATPL with no experience, yes.
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I’m considering applying DEC to be closer to home, I’m well aware of the many flaws that working for Flybe entails but just wondering if you are effectively a local near a base, if it’s a happy work life balance, dare I say it! |
Yep, it is what it is. The problem with pilots is they'll whinge their tits off at the first given opportunity. If you join you're joining a multi base, regional airline. Things WILL go wrong, you WILL be disrupted and you WILL work hard. You can have a life if you go in with your eyes open and remember you should know what you're signing up for, if you don't you haven't done your research.
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TBH expect to work a very hard roster. Not massively long days but I didn’t get a full weekend off last year from March - Oct. The roster is of course random and you’ll be VERY lucky to get more than 3 days off in a row. In some cases expect 1 day off in 9. It is a nice place to work with nice people but that only goes so far. |
Originally Posted by Reversethrustset
(Post 10476607)
Yep, it is what it is. The problem with pilots is they'll whinge their tits off at the first given opportunity. If you join you're joining a multi base, regional airline. Things WILL go wrong, you WILL be disrupted and you WILL work hard. You can have a life if you go in with your eyes open and remember you should know what you're signing up for, if you don't you haven't done your research.
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Terrible, terrible work life balance. I knew plenty of 20-30 something year old captains opting for part time contracts to try and achieve more of a balance.
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other possibilities
I would recommend maybe RYR? 5000 euros and you're in with a normal contract. Not those weird contractor contracts. But... Flybe... specially now that everyone's hiring... not really.
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I found it fine and I was there a long time and flew both fleets in both seats in a fair few bases. You're working for an airline, not a 9-5 office job. Show me a full time job as flight crew that makes pilots happy, they are few and far between.
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Reversethrustset, I bet if they cut you in half it would say Flybe all the way through ����. While what you say carries a lot of truth, I must admit the recent mass exodus of flight crew has not helped. I only hope they can turn things around as the last thing I want is to move away from home, and work for a low cost �������� |
Thanks for the responses. What are the chances of being based in SOU or EXT as a CPT? Are part-time contracts easy to come by? I haven't heard great things about the Flybe rostering, but to be quite honest, I haven't come across a single airline where the crew doesn't complain about it. It's what each individual makes of it, but if 1 day off in 9 is true, that is brutal.
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Originally Posted by WMB
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Reversethrustset, I bet if they cut you in half it would say Flybe all the way through No not really, just an understanding of what industry I'm part of, it was my choice to join them and I did so knowing what I was getting into, there's no point moaning about it afterwards. How many Ryanair pilots sign on the dotted line then whinge how bad they are treated? Well yeah, but you signed up for it armed with the knowledge but if you didn't have the prior knowledge then you haven't done your research. Don't get me wrong, being continually disrupted or continuously night stopping can wear you down but the sooner people accept that there will be the odd disruption and the odd night stop the happier you'll be, it's the same as standby duties, the amount of crew that whinge they've been called off standby is mind blowing, the sooner you train your brain that if you manage to survive the day without being called and you get to stay at home is actually a bonus the happier you'll be. Flybe isn't perfect, but accept it for what it is, it's a multi base, regional airline, things will go wrong, you will night stop, you will work hard, it's the nature of the beast, that of course doesn't mean you shouldn't fight for change. In the long run, it'll do your blood pressure the world of good. |
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