SAS to hire 200 pilots!
 

NRK, the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation , announced today at 19:00 that SAS is to hire 200 pilots and 500 cabin crew!
SAS had 128 aircraft last time I counted.
Flight crew average age is 55 years.
Retirement age used to be 60.

Mike and Bjørn is in for a ride, me thinks.
What does the other Training Departments plan for?

Yours Optimistically.
BSU

SAS recruitment
 

Link to the news
Historisk stor SAS-rekruttering i gang

Good, but on what terms & conditions ? Guys who entered this last few years had something considerably inferior to "European loco average" and a long wait until this increased by any significant amount. . . . unless they can find /accept (and they didn't before ) a couple of hundred Scandi wannabes happy to work for peanuts, who will go there (could be good news for those already there, as T's & C's will have to be increased significantly if the "200" is anywhere near the truth.)

Berlitz
 

Hello,
Did anyone hear about successfull applicants who were not speaking any of the scandinavian languages?:oh:
Thanks for your answer.

SAS has always encouraged employment of pilots speaking at least one scandinavian language, excluding Finnish and Icelandic. Also by looking on how many unemployed pilots there are just in Sweden, I have a feeling it will stay that way for a while as well.

Syntax I don't know where you got those figures from, but to me they sound completely made up :suspect:.
I know enough people with daddies as CPT, having no chance at all, regarding having any advantages in the SAS recruitment.

Thank you Lansen and Syntax for both your answers.

I do not know anybody and my parents are not working for SAS.
I do not speak the good languages and I want a quick command :bored:

To be serious, I perfectly understand this kind of protectionism.
Good luck all!

Facts Folks , Please!
 

Here are some:
You need to speak some Norse, there has been zero pilots hired in SAS without this. This is what we do. ( Find a Blond and start to learn Cederico!)

Syntax: You are so wrong, You insult the best company in Europe and your numbers and math is flawed.
The fleet is new by flag standard, mind you not by loco std, but then easy ryr etc, did not exist when SAS started transpolar routes.....

Cpt Play: You must remember that SAS is an airline for professional pilots , ie
no typerating pay, bond , bs etc. Ad: Per Diem, pension , loss of license etc, and NO tax problems!

Lastly, I know RYR need 500 plus pilots the next 5 months, Norwegian 100 plus.
Anyone from Easy, Transavia, KLM etc,
regards
BSU

I love it that you references are newspapers. Nothing personal, but most of those articles, well there is some truth in them but the rest is pure mumbo jumbo. Todays SAS is in fact looking for a lot of pilots and those new employees, will become command quite fast as well. :ok:

Few years ago when I looked into SAS, my reference was their pure incompetence regarding setting one set of standards in their advert, and recruiting people trough personal references to the same positions who did not full-fill their minimums in the advert, while discouraging people with experience on other types to apply.

Also with regards to TC's, there are other companies like EZY offering much better conditions then SAS for Captains, going to SAS is still risky, as we do not know what the future will bring for them. Norwegian is now more than little thorn in their side.

As for passenger quality, there is not much difference between SAS and Norwegian.
The only reason some guys might want to join was if they could be close to home, however many of these guys now already have command, and do not want to return via right seat on a CRJ.

SAS has screwed over a lot guys in the past, who they made redundant, from being one of the world leaders in TC's they have gone towards the lower end now.
The Golden days of SAS are gone, and highly unlikely they will ever return unfortunately.

In 10 years from now 80% of pilots in SAS will have retired - makes a pretty good upgrade prognosis...

Sure you can buy your way to a faster upgrade in the loco world - but you will most likely never use that upgrade in a major(non-loco) airline.

Start pay is an issue that needs to be addressed if they want to attract a wider array of pilots - or even to get enough applicants.

I foresee at great battle in the future attracting the "right stuff" between airlines. Good for us....

Norwegian to hire 750 pilots on B787 within 5 years
 

Great plans for SAS with 200 new pilots. Good to see that the airline is hiring again.
Norwegian is looking for 750 new B787 pilots coming 5 years to crew the 30 B787 coming. Now is a good time to join for quick command :ok:

Your whole post is so incorrect that it borders on libellous.

I did not know anybody in this company and was amongst the first hired over two years ago. Many more with me.

Amongst the 100+ pilots hired since then i know of only two who has at least one parent flying in SAS, and none in management position.

Consider yourself lucky SAS is not Ryanair cause if it was you would be facing a lawsuit.

Libel..... I actually caught them out on this, and reported them to the Norwegian Pilot Union, was anything done? Think not, the union is also lead by SAS pilots mostly.

Caught them out on what? Having a disorganised and poorly synced recruitment process initially? Finally recruiting people who didnt meet the desired experience requirements because not enough people applied?

None of this constitutes a crime and is entirely up to the company, what would you have the union do? Interfere in who is hired? Then I bet you'd be bitching about "the all too powerful and arrogant unions".

seems to be many former SAS guys at EK who don't want to return ...

Make of that what you will.....:E

Just go back the posts in the end from 2013

SAS recruitment [Archive] - PPRuNe Forums

They insisted on CRJ rating to apply, so having 1000 hours on Airbus was not good enough, but happy to take 6 guys from a flight school in Roskilde, that belonged to 2 SAS Captains, and 1 or 2 of them was sons of the SAS Captains, while I had emails from recruitment saying anybody applying without having the minimum requirements would be banned from further requirement.

That STINKS big time for me, just because they are from Scandi land, does not make the immune to such!

Craggenmore also makes a valid point, there are loads of guys who was let down badly by SAS in the past, and now they will not even consider going back there, this is not only ME pilots, but also in the EU/UK.

Many guys in the company now are happy if they can get an early retirement deal, few of them got that at the age of 55 a few years ago. The Golden days of SAS are gone, and they can not offer job security.

Recruiting 200 pilots is not a lot if you think about it, there are some companies hiring 200 a pilots a year, with SAS they will have small bursts and that's it.

You might get stuck there for a few decades as an FO, that for me is not good enough.

Already in that thread you were told that your accusations were not true and to drop it, but still somehow can't let go.

Your beef should be with Klaus since he is the one individual who misinformed you. Also he is no longer involved with the recruitment team.

Regarding T&Cs the pay is !!!! and we work a lot, no argument there.

Few decades as FO? By 2030 only 15% of todays pilot corps in SAS will be less than 65 years of age, and they will be retiring in droves until then. You tell me if your estimation on time to command seems correct?

More numbers, less bitching please!
 

The winter is for recruitment and sim training, this is standard in all modern airlines.
I had ALL training and recruitment and spare sim for the next rolling year planed in my little "DreamAirliner" . Including my favorite: the annual pool with the cabin crew, all girls and some French to boot.
Again:
We need numbers, not references to old fights on old threads.
There are some of us that are so flaming sick of this industry that we are pulling the plug. We love the blocktime mind u , so we are considering a new year.
Afterall flying is fun, once the AP and FMC fails......?

NOW boys: Numbers please from KLM/AF et al, LH BA eazy wizz jizz jazz wow ali IN short all airlines, small and big. Anyone?

With regards to my statement on SAS as best eu airline , now that was the troll in me (and yes I look like on as well). SAS are nr 5 after .............................................! Lets vote.
And SAS shall prosper for a long time , why?
3 reasons come to mind:
1 Lean and mean compared with earlier performance.
2 Staraliance
3. Wallenberg famely.

Best regards
BSU

Count me in when my bond is up! :) Great airline and people!

In my humble opinion there is no better place to work than SAS for a Scandinavian pilot wanting to live in Scandiland. Yes, the schedule and the T&C´s are not what they used to be, but isn´t it like that industry wide...?
Starting today, one can reasonably expect to be a SH Captain within the next 10 years or less, and a A350 Captain within 15 years. Permanent contract with Scandinavian sick pay, pension and the usual goodies. Beats the crap out of Ryanair, Norwegian etc. if you ask me.

There are other companies out there then RyR and Norwegian when you have some experience.

Who also have pension and sick pay. Where the Captain upgrade comes much faster, and with more pay and extras then SAS currently offers.

If living in Scandiland, I have heard of other companies offering better TC's then SAS, but it's impossible to get inside.

I believe SAS will have difficulty to attract many experienced guys, unless they are in the desert and want to come home.

Other experienced guys are already now Captains or close to upgrade in their current airlines, which would mean joining SAS would be a massive step down for at least 10 years or who knows how long.

Regarding the recruitment, don't even wish to comment on that garbage, as it's so inside out flawed, besides that, I know of few guys who recently joined, last 12 - 18 months, who all got in because who they knew, rather then what they know!

Good luck on them, I am very happy where I am now, and have no desire or interest to join SAS now or in the future. But for me their recruitment process stinks. The guys I know who joined was not rated and had little or no jet experience.

Enough about that.

You sound a "little" bitter truckflyer ..... Rejected? :confused:

Oh yes so bitter that I never even applied!
I have no interest to start commuting from a Scandi-land and pay 65% in taxes!

I am very happy where I am, but I did not like recruitments double standards!

Of course Jante loven is rather the rule then the exception, don't speak your opinion just pretend roses are red, and violets are ........!

65% tax???

Not as an FO, but Captain you will be looking at maximum tax.

The socialist Scandi governments like to steal hard working peoples money.

e-mails from SAS to my questions regarding recruitment, of course you need to know one Scandi language to understand this or use google translator.

1.
Hej Truckflyer.

Som det ser ud lige nu er det kun CRJ og 737.

Med venlig hilsen
SAS


2.
Hej Truckflyer,

Du kan kun søge hvis du opfylder alle betingelser! Vi skriver tydeligt at man SKAL have typerating.

Søger du uden typerating risikerer du at din ansøgning bliver slettet.

Med venlig hilsen
Team Pilot Recruitment

3.
Hei SAS recruitment

Takk for det svaret, beklager men det som forvirret meg var en repotasje fra dansk TV 2, hvor de fortalte at SAS hadde ansatt 6 nye piloter direkte fra flyskole i Roskilde uten typerating.

Derfor trodde jeg at det kanskje var mulighet aa soke dersom man ikke hadde TR, men jeg husker annonse e-mail skrev at man behovde TR, saa jeg beklager saa meget, men det var dette som forundret og forvirret meg litt.

Answer from SAS:

4.
Ikke noget problem. ;-)

Med venlig hilsen

Team Pilot Recruitment


I particularly find the " ;-) " amusing. Completely disrespectful and liars.

The idea is you apply, and don't mind so much about the requirements.

It's all about showing your interrest in the joboffering and tell them that you're genuinly interrested.

If they then do not have enough applicant with the nessesary "skills", where will they look then ;)

And you never know, you may get it anyway :)

....and then:

If you were never interrested, why bother?

I will agree with you somewhat though, start pay is way too low and top pay still low but livable and when you get there you pay too much tax (although not 65% , in Norway at least).

For the record for those who might be interested:

-No friend required but you will have to pass some tests and interviews and show that you can fly an a/c, quite a few guys flunk the sim apparently.

Good luck and maybe we'll see some of you "out on line":ok:

The tax thing
 

@Truckflyer

If you live in for example in Sweden and make 8000 euros a month, you will pay about 3000 euros in tax. Does that amount to 65 % in your opinion?

It is about 38 % tax, whitout any deductables included, which may lower the tax even further. I'm glad you are not my tax consultant!

Come to think of it Bjørn Kjos said he pays several 1000 % in taxes on the TV show Skavlan, but thats in Norway and with his wealth and property tax included... No such things in Sweden though. He should move here!

You remark on socialistic Scandinavia is redicoulus, I guess you have never needed proper healthcare...

38% tax is for the lower income bracket, go to the top tier when you are a Captain, and you will be paying more, close to 65%.

Even 38% is way to much, but I know many are indoctrinated with this notion that it is required to keep a good health care etc.

Go to Norway, you pay massive taxes, yet when you go to the doctor for consultation you pay again a consultation fee.

So first your salary gets taxed. Then massive taxes on ALL products you buy, specially Norway. I once had an old banger of a Volvo, I sold it for 300 Euros, I considered bringing it to Norway, they wanted 100.000 NOK in taxes.

25 % VAT the last time I checked on goods.

Of course some of this tax money is used from time to time to save SAS from bankruptcy, on more than 1 occasion.

Our political views aside, I did consider SAS few years back, before I got my current job. Truth is that there are many much better jobs out there then SAS today, only reason if somebody has very close ties and want to live there for family reasons.

Don't get me wrong, SAS is not a bad company, but the are not what they used be, and there are serious concerns still of their long term future.

If it's up to Kjos, there will be no more government aid to keep life into a dinosaur.

Nothing is what it used to be anywhere! My tax example was for total tax, including the top brackets of 50 and 55%

On a higher salary the total tax willl be a few % higher, but never over 50% I live in Sweden and work in Norway and would actually save quite a lot if I was taxed in Norway, due to higher tax brackets starts a lot higher and deductables are better. Still I choose to commute. There are quite a few places with lower taxes in the world, I would not want to live there due too poor welfare benifits. A lot of people in my family, including my self, have gotten excellent care when treated for severe and complex illnesses... Saved my life and career and it was for free! I am certain SAS is a good place to work, everyone I know there are happy. There is more to life than as much money as possible in your pocket... Happy where I am and will not apply for SAS.

And if it was up to Kjos, there would be no employee rights whatsoever! I feel sorry and sad that people have to work for such an A**hole... I do agree that cars and Norway does not go well together!

"Happy where I am and will not apply for SAS."

Thats exactly my point, many experienced guys now, probably already have a safer and better job then what SAS can offer.

That's why I don't see loads of experienced guys running to them, unless they offer fast track to command etc. Because what SAS offer now for new starters is not very good.

SAS policy is, last in, first out, and you never know what SAS will do, they have proven that more then once.

MORE NUMBERS PLEASE
 

Hi folks.
A nice stormy day for flying, or checking my lobster pots. Problem is crabs are stealing my bait, taste good them thar fellas to mind you.
Sorry for the drift, at least I stay in this Univers on my rant and not in some parallel McCarty milkyway hunting us Vikings.

Here is my guess for the next year:
Airfrance ? 150 pilotes
Austrien 50
BA 300
CityJet 20
Easy 400
FinnAir 70
Hainan Europe 150
KLM 250
LuftHansi 350
SAS 201
TransAvia 100
Norwegian 300
Wiz 200
Wow 50
XYZ Europe 737 320 1200

This is just to kikkstart this mission back on track, I have no clue as to what is going on in the industry this winter, but i intend to find out.
Need to go,,,, fishing!

Tudel pipp
BSU

Widerø needs 16 pilots
 

I don't know if it counts for anything but the Norwegian short field operator needs at least 16 pilots, according to my source. Widerø operates dash 8, 100-400's on Norway domestic and international. Kind regards LIBD

Widerø rcruitment
 

I think they need more like 25 the next 12 months. But thanks anyway.
BSU

A couple of years ago I were invited for assesment for 737 fo. The salary per month they offered was less than 30 000 SEK! I could no believe it was that rubbish but I was keen on moving back to Europe and Scandinavia so I confirmed by mail I wanted to attend the interview. In the same email I asked if they could give me tickets (on SAS longhaul network) so I could get there. The recruitment team responded by saying "all applicants have to provide their own transport to the assessment"

This was not long after the company almost went bankrupt but I was surprised they had lowered the standards this much. It all gave me a bad vibe so I canceled the whole thing. I don't regret it a minute.

Starting pay has gone up since 2013, especially if you're already type rated. Still one of the better outfits to work for. No hassle at all if you get sick, pension paid, ID travel, decent food onboard, good hotels during stops, etc.

I can think of many other airlines with better T&Cs than SAS are offering.

They're still not doing fantastic, not sure what the future brings.

Experience guys going to the RHS in a crj just to come home, well that's a very high price to pay.

When management shakes the pilot tree, there will always be pilots falling to take up any positions available. Desperate times for desperate needs.

Not for me anyway. Good luck for those of you who will go for it!