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Originally Posted by oldkarim (Post 11588529)

Thanks, Just curious, even if you join as experienced F/O with over 2000h , you start as SO?

No.. there is a seperate FO process done with interpersonnel. The SO selection is for 'cadets'. They explained they have an agreement with the LBA where they can take NTR guys, simulator train them as cruise relief pilots, and once they get 750 hours they then qualify for a full ZFT TR. It saves the cost of having to do base training in a 777 where supposedly only cycling the gear once costs 4.5k in maintenance costs.

But even once you become FO, you still have cruise relief duties. You can expect about 300 landings over 10 years (thats according to their math).

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Originally Posted by mattpilot (Post 11588551)

Thank you, well It’s long Haul, sounds reasonable 300 landing over 10years, which means 30 per year. Anyway I don’t speak German, I have no chance to get called for an assessment

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Originally Posted by mattpilot (Post 11588551)

Hello,
There is a selection process brought out Interpersonal? last year was Aerologic in Berlin...It has been changed?
What can you say about the First officers Selection/inviattion to an assessment? are they selecting?
thx

Any update on the assessment process in 2024? Any information is appreciated.

Can anybody suggest a couple of companies or instructors to prepare for the sim assessment?

Can anybody give an indication what salary I can expect at Aerologic as an experienced typerated FO (>8000 hr) ?

What about command upgrade opportunities?

Many thanks

Mickey

What to expect as a Captain at Aerologic in terms of average take home pay, benefits and roster patterns?

Is there something like an accelerated command upgrade?

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Originally Posted by captain.weird (Post 11796307)

Is there something like an accelerated command upgrade?

No, you need basically:
- 4000 widebody hrs (can be have flown anywhere and on other types than 777)
- 1000 hours within the company
- seniority.

The last point 'seniority' is not that restrictive as it sounds, because
(1) the company is growing very fast, 3 new a/c are expected to be delivered this year and at least 8 more are guaranteed for the next 3 years. There are even rumours that these numbers might change upwards. Right now there are only 23 a/c, so it will be growing of almost 50% within the near future, which will result in many upgrades of F/Os.
(2) of a relatively high fluctuation. There are quite a few young F/Os resigning to join condor, discover etc. And additionally there are a lot old Ex-KLM captains, who had to leave KLM due to age (58 is the max. age @ KLM) and will have to leave AeroLogic soon as well upon reaching the age of 65. And therefore I think there are only few companies (if at all) where you can become a captain on a widebody in such a short time.

Currently the only bottleneck is the capacity for training.

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Compare that with starting at a LH subsidiary, you are looking at 70k at AUA & Cityline/CityAirline, and 90k at Swiss.

Its not a bad deal at all, but i think the plus points come from the type of flying, not the pay (and having to be based in leipzig).

You need to check yourself a bit before saying stuff like that. LH city starting is 4500 Brut for an FO, its all written in the PDF on their application site.

Hi guys any recent feedback on the assessment?

Hi everyone!

I've been invited to an AeroLogic screening for FO direct entry in Berlin on April 8-9, 2025. Is anyone else attending?

I would really appreciate any information about the event. Additionally, I have no details regarding the SIM screening, as AeroLogic hasn’t shared anything. Looking forward for a PM :)

Thanks in advance!

Hi folks,

Any insider or someone who have good hand info knows if aerologic is a good place to work without living near Leipzig or Frankfurt?
Do they always start the rotation from one of those airports or do they buy you proceedings to and from wherever is the plane?
Is is possible to commute?
I've rear on pilotjobsnetwork that you usually fly 3 long haul rotations a month or so, about 15 to 18 days on and 12 to 15 off, so that sounds plausible to commute, but i could find exact info about how the schedule looks like.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by C152_rider (Post 11827899)

Hello, I go to the assessment in April aswell, feel free to text me on whattsapp +41 79 671 72 25 for an exchange

Did you guys apply directly via career.aero or from the career page of their website?

Hi, any news from the interview process ?

thanks

Does anybody know how the home base/operational base thing works? Is it possible to choose to fly out of the operational base?

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Originally Posted by alexandrantonia (Post 11878817)

Does anybody know how the home base/operational base thing works? Is it possible to choose to fly out of the operational base?

Base for aerologic is LEJ/EDDP
Huge majority is not living there, but commuting… own costs. Company will not help you on that… one of the reasons the struggle to get pilots.

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Originally Posted by oceancrosser69 (Post 11878960)

Base for aerologic is LEJ/EDDP
Huge majority is not living there, but commuting… own costs. Company will not help you on that… one of the reasons the struggle to get pilots.

Thanks for the quick response! I'm living in Frankfurt, so it would've been very handy to fly out from FRA rather than drive 4-5h to LEJ.

Hello everyone,

Can you confirm we can use DHL to commute (as it looks like they go nearly everywhere in Europe)
And what salary can you expect as a FO (let say with 60h per month ) ?

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Originally Posted by tiredofwalking (Post 11880098)

Hello everyone,

Can you confirm we can use DHL to commute (as it looks like they go nearly everywhere in Europe)
And what salary can you expect as a FO (let say with 60h per month ) ?

I dont know if you can use the DHL jumpseats, depends who you work for? ;-)
Aerologic can use the DHL jumpseats, but have the lowest priority.

Probably for at least 80% of the pilots FRA is better for commuting than LEJ, and most of duty patterns start/end in LEJ…..

Any Aerologic pilots here or applicants who recently completed the assessment? I would be very happy if you sent me a PM.

Any update regarding the German level? I have some knowledge but definetly not enough to do an assessment or part of it in German.

I went to one of their assessments before and one of the guys invited spoke next to no german.
They still asked him to try the team exercise in german and we ended up doing it in english.
I think the rest could be done in english.

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Originally Posted by hungryhungryhippo (Post 12030116)

Thank you for the feedback! So did this guy passed the assessment eventually?😂

In fact, he didn't. He failed the SIM AFAIK, as everyone did but one.
Don't have a lot of info on the SIM as I was lucky enough to get some kind of food poisoning or virus that day.
Prepare well though. I had next to no preparation material from them and heard you had to come prepared and do some clean approaches.
Even inexperienced pilots got an engine failure from what I heard.

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Originally Posted by hungryhungryhippo (Post 12030933)

Hello,
how long did you wait after sending the application before you were invited to the assessment?
Thanks!

Took me roughly 3 months!

Engine failure in a 777 is a non event if they leave the TAC in !

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Originally Posted by Prob30Tempo TSRA (Post 12032957)

Engine failure in a 777 is a non event if they leave the TAC in !

Sim is flown on B737(NG,full motion), raw data

What is the point to invite non german speakers, then espect those dudes chatting in german? Such a joke

Good morning together,
i will have my assessment in mid of March and wanted to ask if someone give me a information, how to prepare the best for it?
For now i use the books Testtraining 2000 and the Piloten test. As well for the ATPl i use the ATPL 500 Fast track.
Maybe someone can give me an impression, where is should keep the focus.
Happy for a PM.

Thanks a lot for the help!

Sim has been the same at Aerologic for the last 10 years. It was a bit weird for me as a non Boeing rated but I guess it's still fair as it's same for everyone.

Everything is RAW flying, take off, airworks, then NDB approach to Lepzig and engine failure vectoring for raw data ILS. Very tricky if you haven't flown 737 before.

As for German, it's not really necessary but a good thing to know a little.

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Originally Posted by basketbojler (Post 12037928)

Thanks for the quick recap for the sim, it helps a lot!
I fly the 737 already.
For me is more the important thing that i want to keep an eye on the preparation for the test.
Maybe here is a guy who can tell me, which topics in the books are the most important to train?
Thanks guys!

Hello everyone, any news regarding assessments? Anyone as non German speaker was invited?

Hello! Non German here, applied more than a month ago. Nothing yet!

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Originally Posted by basketbojler (Post 12037928)

Throw in a little "Verdammt noch mal!" when you don't see the runway off the NDB approach.

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Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 10997794)

Hi Folks above,

I did my assessment in October last year, unfortunately failed the simulator, but they were happy enough to give me another go in 2021.

However, my tips are as follows....

Day 1 is as I experienced it was an intense day, very long. You come in at the Hotel and you wait to enter the big room where you will do an x amount of test, i believe it was in the area of 15 different test. Ranging from English, German, knowledge questions, ATPL questions, maths, physics, psychometric testing, psychological questions and some reaction tests. In all fairness, you have some things you can prepare, but also a lot that should be or could be common knowledge. The book I used to prepare was ‚Testtraining 2000+‘ from Hesse Schrader. Take a few days/week if you want to prepare for it. You can do the tests in your own pace... At the beginning of the testing, you can decide if you want to do the tests in English or German. Dont be fooled, not all the tests will be in English and the psychological testing will be in German.

After all the testing, you’ll be dealt in to random groups and perform a group exercise. Result is not important, showing that you can work together is. I am not a native German speaker so I needed to listen intently so i could follow precisely what was happening. I felt slightly uncomfortable as i could not be my 100% self and throw my opinion in, but AeroLogic complimented me on it. So what you think is correct, is not always correct in their eyes.

Afterwards you all can choose to meet up for dinner on AeroLogics costs and you’ll hear between 8pm and 9pm if you did or did not pass to the next round.

at the beginning of the day the simulator slots for the next day are already planned, so you’ll have an estimate on what you’ll be in the sim if you pass. Just remember, dont pas is no sim.

Day 2:

First you do the sim. This is where I dropped out. However, please do take my advice for it as i did not follow the tips and payed the price. There is a simulator center near the hotel from Lufthansa. At this sim center there is a man who does AeroLogic prep sessions, he will walk you through the sim session which “easy”. However, if you are rated, they are really strickt. Get as much raw data sim prep as you can!
All is raw data. You are on the runway in Leipzig and will do the Before Take Off Checks...
- Take Off 3000’ and make a turn.
- Pass transition altitude (set standard)
- Level Off
- Climbing turn/descending turn 20 AoB and 1000ft per minute.
- Descend 3000’
- Vectors Raw Data NDB approach
- GoAround... one engine out.
- Memory Items? No memory items.
- Shut engine down
- Vectors Raw Data Single Engine ILS Approach

You’ll get the result 2-3 minutes later.

If you failed you’ll have an exit interview. They’ll inform you of your scores of the following day, and if they were happy with that then you’ll be invited to come back within 12 months. If you did not fit their profile, then they’ll thank you for your interest in AeroLogic.

If you passed, you’ll have an interview where they want to get to know you. Why cargo? Why AeroLogic? What drives you? Hobbies? So on so on....

Then a few days/weeks later you will get a phone call or email informing you of the result.

Good Luck to you all and stay safe!

I can confirm, that this is still exactly how the assessment takes place. If you want to pass definitely get a FFS screening preparation session.

They have a high demand for FOs right now as some folks left for KLM and other majors and two 777 are expected to join later this year.

German is not a hard requirement for an application but from what I heard and saw during the assessment at least a basic conversational level is expected.

Hey folks, what's the right answer to the following interview question?

Let's say you fly from LEJ to some place in Asia and have a quick layover in the middle east. You are fully loaded with 100 tons of a valuable cargo which would rot if it was left where you are. Let's say very rare tomatoes. During the walkaround you as a FO notice, that one of the NAV lights doesn't work. You check the MEL and find out it's a no dispatch situation. There is no possibility of a quick repair. The old man wants to fly. What do you do? Do you refuse to fly like that or do you both pretend you didn't see anything and go? You have to make a decision now as you are already on the limit regarding the max duty time.