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Chesty Morgan 29th October 2015 10:27

Actually I was asked in my last interview which type I'd like to fly.

Direct Bondi 31st October 2015 19:58

The Norwegian labor model is like the plot of a low budget horror movie. Except in this instance the victims are inexplicably running toward the monster.

Fixed-term, full time employment continues to be offered only by an agency for temporary work with Norwegian at LGW. The agency may or may not find you alternative work if Norwegian summarily dispenses with your services. Individual agency contracts may indemnify the agency from any obligation due to decisions taken by their client airline, Norwegian. If applying for a mortgage always be aware:

"Mortgage fraud is a crime in which the intent is to materially misrepresent or omit information on a mortgage loan application to obtain a loan, or obtain a larger loan, than would have not been obtained had the lender or borrower known the truth" - this includes failure to disclose liabilities, such as a training bond.

Kjos promised direct employment in his June 1 letter:

"It has and will continue to be our firm policy to offer all pilots and cabin crews employed through agencies, the opportunity to transfer their employment to a company in the Norwegian Group at the end of a transitional period"

In respect of direct employment at the end of any LGW transitional period, Kjos has, so far, failed to honor his promise. The Norwegian Pilot Group declares on its website that direct employment is a main objective. Given the Kjos labor relations record, there may be trouble ahead in achieving or even maintaining this objective. The Scandinavian pilot group and their direct employment contract renewal, will be the tester for any 100% Norwegian, pilot unity (not just a shiny red badge, but a way of life):

"The Norwegian Pilot Group believes that cooperation and unity of purpose are essential to protect our collective professional interests in Norwegian and are committed to working together"

Good news:- from November 15, new EU legislation is enacted and includes specific terminology to protect Norwegian's agency crew, and others, if reporting safety matters. Previous legislation, EU 2003/42/EC, protected only "employees". Norwegian has summarily dismissed agency crew, via their agency, after they raised safety issues. EU 376/2014 protects both "employees and contracted personnel" - Link: https://easa.europa.eu/document-libr...-eu-no-3762014

Pilots can now make full use of the initiatives described in the Norwegian OM A, 1.4.1 and 3.4.2 also, 7.5, without fear of retribution. Any crew fatigued due to positioning to/from flights, are encouraged to submit the applicable report.

negativeclimb 3rd November 2015 18:34

Hi guy,
I have done the online tests 3 weeks ago and at the moment still no answer.

Do you know how long does it takes the procedure to get the invitation for the assessment?
And when?

Thank you

negativeclimb 6th November 2015 15:08

any news? No answers for me?

fade to grey 6th November 2015 20:02

Why don't you ask rishworth ?

Boeing operator 7th November 2015 17:15

I hear you won't get any feedback in the process unless you fail any step. So, if you hear nothing after completing the online tests all should be fine and you await a possible invitation. Something like that it says in the email when you register the application.

It's an ongoing process. If you are current on Boeing it's a greater chance you'll get invited for interview and sim, less if Airbus rated, even less if rated on smaller aircraft. Heard it has to do with cost of training.

Hear they will recruit every month 2016. They just asked all pilots if anyone wanted to join the recruitment team. 30 B787-9 coming five years is a lot of pilots... :ok:

highfive 8th November 2015 01:45

I understand they only interviewing B777 B787 guys predominantly from the gulf airlines. and Turkish . Will keep the recruitment people busy for a few months. No shortage of overqualified applicants both FO n DEC.

No idea how many guys have actually taken the leap of faith and left EK, QR and the unmentionable lot for NLH?

Boeing operator 8th November 2015 12:02

Most pilots from Ryanair, Primera, SunExpress, ex KLM, ex Martinair, SIA, Privatair, Jet time, Jet2, Cargolux, Silkway and Norwegian short haul. Also some from Emirates, Etihad and Qatar, but not that many yet.

highfive 8th November 2015 12:22

For DEC, they are asking for 1000 hours min widebody. Presumanly those from narrow body are taken on as FO?

fullforward 8th November 2015 13:39

Boeing Operator,Highfive
 
Check your PM please.

viking767 8th November 2015 14:38

Personally, I can't see the advantage of flying the "plastic fantastic" (jet-lag/no wifi / 8 ? or is it now 10 ? days off a month) in preference to the 738 (same money / wifi / if LGW based home most nights & contracted 12 OFF a month) am I missing something more relevant than penis size here :E ;)



How does wifi/no wifi come into the picture?

fade to grey 8th November 2015 22:18

Yes you are missing something,
Not everyone lives near gatwick - they don't do all out and backs anyway.

The money's actually a tad better.

Also SH don't offer the ability for unrated DEC on 737,

Those with enough command experience on small planes join as ' relief captain '

WTF you going on about wifi for ?

uchy 9th November 2015 03:09

How is a typical monthly roster? How many days off?

Boeing operator 9th November 2015 10:07

Minimum 10 days off per month, average is 11,5 days/month they say. Plus 28 days vacation per year. A few positioning days per month, a couple of blank days. If you live in Scandinavia or at LGW, for example, using your blank days and positioning days wise you end up with a few more days off per month.

They offer three choices; variable roster (variable amount of off-days, perhaps nice to them living close to LGW), two blocks of (minimum) 5 days off each, and one block of (minimum) 10 days off.

At the moment only direct entry CPT and FO, but hear they will open externally for RCA as well within days.

Speedoneeighty 9th November 2015 12:06

"Why wifi"

Take a guess

fade to grey 9th November 2015 13:46

I was rather hoping he want implying whether the aircraft has wifi or not is a selling point for beings it's bloody pilot.

Modern generation

midnight cruiser 9th November 2015 15:20

I kind of get why a Brit 777 Captain from a hot and sweaty part of the world might want to do be a NLH Captain ...

but I really can't conceive of why an experienced A320/737 Captain would be interested in the crushingly boring role of cruise pilot - (A role most EU airlines just use standard FOs for, provided they have an ATPL).

Speedoneeighty 9th November 2015 16:13


Originally Posted by fade to grey (Post 9175351)
I was rather hoping he want implying whether the aircraft has wifi or not is a selling point for beings it's bloody pilot.

Modern generation

I am reliably informed that the older pilots are just as bad as their younger colleagues if not worse when it comes to the Norwegian wifi so stop kidding yourself.

captplaystation 9th November 2015 16:59

" I am reliably informed that the older pilots are just as bad as their younger colleagues if not worse when it comes to the Norwegian wifi so stop kidding yourself."


You bet :ok:

Whilst it may not be a factor in your decision, it is nice to have (particularly if you are at a base with an average sector length of 4-5 hrs ) Amazing Boeing couldn't have sent the Screamliner out the door with it fitted as standard, so much for "modern". But, really, it is a sideshow to the main questions, which concern salary/employment model/rosters/duties/layovers/quality of hotels/quality of air. On that last note, I am jealous of your 6000ft cabin alt with no bleed air, and being able to hear yourself think without the 737 racket all the time, but, I still think the gig falls well short of what anyone could reasonably expect from a long haul contract, hence why I couldn't get excited about it in preference to a 737 contract with the same operator. (apart from at LGW base where the rosters seem to be useless on a magnitude possibly related to where they originate from )

Mr Angry from Purley 14th November 2015 07:14

Good to see UK AOC has now been approved. Will any 787 go on the G reg now that EASA FTL offers a level playing field


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