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The salary and working conditions thread - 2015/16
All,
Please take the time to contribute to this thread which is long overdue. Hoping to make this thread one of the most comprehensive roundups in a while. Please feel free to contribute even if your employer, salary and conditions have already been mentioned. I suggest the below format (copy/paste it, then pad in your details): Rank: Current a/c type: Years in service: Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Base country: Hours per month (average): Monthly salary (before tax): Monthly salary (after tax): Additional payments: Any benefits?: Happy (yes/no): |
Rank: SFO
Current a/c type: B190 Years in service: 6 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Charter, EU Base country: Depends, can be Africa, but at the mo in Europe Hours per month (average): 60 (Roster; 28 days on 28 days off. Off; at home so, zero hours! Monthly salary (before tax): 3,975€ (12months) Monthly salary (after tax): 3, 600€ (375 per month deduction for TR) Additional payments: approx 1, 500€ for 28 days on Any benefits?: loss of licence insurance, health insurance Happy (yes/no): happy with time off and money but no chance of command as PICs aren't going to leave their salaries and roster! |
The salary and working conditions thread - 2015
Rank: Capt
Current a/c type: B737 Years in service: 6 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Europe LCC Base country: Europe, continent Hours per month (average): 75 in 11 working months Monthly salary (before tax): 10k Monthly salary (after tax): 6,5k (due high mortgage deductions) Additional payments: Any benefits?: Pension, Telex headset in Happy (yes/no): Hmm. Would be happy in my preferred base, aka "home". |
A plea for those brave people posting - could you include the currency please?
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Rank: FO
Current a/c type: B737 Years in service: 3 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): LoCo Base country: UK Hours per month (average): 70-80 Monthly salary (before tax): £4000 Monthly salary (after tax): £2800 Additional payments: Nil Any benefits?: Nil - contractor Happy (yes/no): Yes - home with family every night |
Rank: FO
Current a/c type: A320 Years in service: Just started Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Holiday charter operator Base country: UK Hours per month (average): Expecting around 60 per month Monthly salary (before tax): £4,900 Monthly salary (after tax): £3,400 Additional payments: Maybe a small bonus at the end of the year? Any benefits?: Pension, Loss of license cover, health cover Happy (yes/no): First home based job in my career so very happy |
Rank: Capt.
A/C Type: A320. Years in service: 15. Type of Airline: Orange. Base Country: UK. Hours per Month: 65. Monthly Salary after tax (excluding bonus and having paid 12% into pension and £275 per month into share plans). £5300. Additional payments: Annual Bonus of £ 8000 after tax. Benefits: LOL. Other nif , naf and Triv. 6/7 % into pension. Happy: As a pig in .... |
Rank: SFO
Current a/c type: 7x7 Years in service: 5 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): European LCC, based 'oop North Base country: UK Hours per month (average): 40-50 Monthly salary (before tax): 4,500£ Monthly salary (after tax): 3,300£ - after some deductions for voluntary things Additional payments: None Any benefits?: 6% pension contribution, not very good income protection scheme Happy (yes/no): inbetween - not great, not terrible. |
Rank: I sign TLB
Current a/c type: 737 Years in service: 1 for current employer, 14 total Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): LCC Base country: let's just say it's in SW Asia Hours per month (average): 50 winter, 90 summer Monthly salary (before tax): have no idea Monthly salary (after tax): 6100 Eur at current exchange rate Additional payments: overtime, complicated to calculate but usually kicks in at 75 Any benefits?: LOL Happy (yes/no): very |
Why don't we talk about the reducing Ts & Cs because of Pay2Fly:ugh:
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Rank: fo
Current a/c type: regional jet Years in service: 6 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): hard to say Base country: mainland Europe Hours per monthw(average):60-70 Monthly salary (before tax): 4500€ Monthly salary (after tax): 2500€ Additional payments: 1000€/ month tax free Any benefits?: lol, staff travel, pension Happy (yes/no): sometimes |
Can someone explain how this thread is useful? Most people know what the Ts and Cs are at major carriers and if you don't just look on PPJN.
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I also fail to see the point. What is happening with all this when it is there ? As a reference document it is totally useless. Because of its location it is valueless without context.
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If you have nothing to contribute, then just ignore it. :ok:
I find it interesting. |
Enzo, I have been using PPJN for over a decade, and whilst it's good to satisfy that odd bit of curiosity, it mostly contains outdated and insignificant information.
This thread will highlight the realities particularly around take home pay and perceptions of those who are employed. What might improve it a little is if we can all also contribute with a bit of free text and not be constrained by the format too much. Because of its location it is valueless without context. |
Great thread, finding it extremely interesting also!!!
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Rank: Rh seat ;) usually
Current a/c type: B737 Years in service: 3 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Charter Base country: Africa ITCZ;) Hours per month (average): 70-80 Roster: 60 days ON, 30 Days Off Monthly salary (before tax): USD 5400 Monthly salary (after tax): USD 5400 Additional payments: every End of Year 3800 USD Any benefits?: Accomodation, Flight Tickets to home, loss of licence insurance Happy (yes/no): Yes at the time being |
Rank: SFO
Current a/c type: Saab 340 Years in service: 4 in current 8 yrs total airlines Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Loganair Base country: Scotland Hours per month (average): 50 or 60 flying. On duty on ground a lot more. Roster: Generally 5 days on 2 off. Often late finish before off days, early start after. Poor roster stability under new regime. Monthly salary (before tax): 2600GBP Monthly salary (after tax): 1850 GBP after deducted 8% pension £243 voucher for childcare Additional payments: Christmas bonus. Lowest about £500 highest about £1000 before tax Any benefits?: Duty pay £9 per duty sector pay £2.60. Company pay an excellent 12% into pension as long as I pay 8%. Happy (yes/no): No. I'm leaving. Gonna miss fantastic colleagues, and learning from superb captains and trainers. Not gonna miss poor cheap hotels. No possible career progression without unpopular base move, for indefinite period. Great folks to work with, but aggressive bean counters to work for now. Pity. Interesting thread. |
Rank: FO
Current a/c type: A320, still rated on 737 Years in service: 14 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): scheduled, central europe. Base country: Central Europe. Hours per month (average): 30 to 40 plus around 20 for union work Monthly salary (before tax): 8.200€ Monthly salary (after tax): 5.200€ Additional payments: guaranteed overtime if not flown, transportation bonus for early check in, late check out, uniform cleaning, sector pay for 4 sectors a day or more (complicated thing). Any benefits?: LoL, Pension Happy (yes/no): Kinda happy, although the prospect of another 5 to 10 years in the right seat isn't really nice. To be honest, a total yearly salary would be probably more informative as it includes all the other stuff. |
Rank:SFO
Current a/c type:A330/320 Years in service:15 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!):CHARTER UK Base country:UK Hours per month (average):70 Monthly salary (before tax):£6200 Monthly salary (after tax):£4500 AFTER VOL DEDUCTIONS of apprx 660 Additional payments: All expenses, uniforms etc, some company discounts Benefits: lol, pension, medical ins, life ins. Happy? Mostly, management seem to want us to be unhappy, unlikely to get a better paid SFO job if I move. Good destinations on LH. |
Rank:FO
Current a/c type: A320 Years in service: 1 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): scheduled, UK Base country:UK Hours per month (average): 60 Monthly salary (before tax):£3800 (+flight pay, which can be in average +£600. Monthly salary (after tax):£3100 (+flight pay) Benefits: LOL, pension, private medical insurance, life insurance, medical and uniforms Happy? For the time being, yes, although I would love to have a fixed roster or something similar. |
Rank:FO
Current a/c type:B737NG Years in service:7 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!):Flag Carrier Base country:Holland Hours per month (average):65 Monthly salary (before tax): EUR 8500 (not dependent on hours flown Monthly salary (after tax): EUR 4950 Additional payments: Per diems, refund of union-contribution, Any benefits?: Good pension (56), Training, uniforms, drycleaning, transport allowance, insurances, additional savings scheme, etc Happy (yes/no):yes |
Quote: Because of its location it is valueless without context. :confused: As for lifestyle, depends what you prefer, sharia or democracy. |
Rank:SFO
Current a/c type:A320 Years in service:3 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): pink LCC Base country: Eastern Eu Hours per month (average): 80 Monthly salary (before tax): €2800 Monthly salary (after tax): €2800 (service provider) Additional payments: NO Benefits: NO lol paid for myself Happy? No - wrong place for money and lifestyle, right place for upgrade if you make it till then.. |
Rank: Senior FO
Current a/c type: Boeing 747-400/-8 Years in service: 10 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Legacy Base country: Hong Kong Hours per month (average): 60 Monthly salary (before tax): 15,000 GBP Monthly salary (after tax): 12,500 GBP Additional payments: Salary includes housing allowance of 6,000 GBP per month Any benefits?: Loss of licence, pension, life insurance, 13th month, per diems, etc Happy (yes/no): Yes, dreadful management, but the money and time off makes up for that. :ok: |
The problem with this kind of questionnaire is the misleading fact that it only shows the conditions of people employed, some of them for many years.
What you would get if you start now is probably worse, you can subtract about 5000 Sterling from the above number e.g. |
STW - absolutely correct.
I wouldn't get out of bed for the t's and c's that my employer now offers to new joiners. Not for the :mad: we have to put up with from our 'caring' company. :yuk: If I had it to do over again in the current climate I would find a far more lucrative/enjoyable profession and fly for fun on the side. :E |
Flying Clog, good post...I flew for that lot 2 decades ago, was a struggle then. Nothing has improved much....?
Now: Capt Legacy $20k + month 73hrs 16% 401k Blah blah "Grass is greener" thread....might help those new to the industry, I suppose... |
Rank:Capt
Current a/c type:320 Years in service:3 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!):crap Base country:china Hours per month (average):60 in 15 days,can be up to 80. Monthly salary (before tax):13500usd Monthly salary (after tax):13500 usd Additional payments:ticket allowance 10 k,yearly bonus 15 k(after 3 years),safety bonus 10k,renewal bonus 25k,walkaround money circa 250 usd monthly.Chinese loss of licence,not bad for what you pay. Any benefits?:spicy dried pig feet,sleeping fos,insane pollution Happy (yes/no):yes |
Rank: Capt.
Current a/c type: Regional jet Years in service: 8 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Regional Base country: UK Hours per month (average): 50 Monthly salary (before tax): £5600 Monthly salary (after tax): £3100 (25% personal pension contribution) Additional payments: Average circa £300 duty pay Any benefits?: Private health Happy (yes/no): Yes |
Time for some perspective from somewhere a bit closer to the bottom of the spectrum I think...
Rank: FO (technically SFO) Current a/c type: C208B. That's right! 2 crew SE Turbine ops Years in service: 8 months Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): The worlds "10th most dangerous" airline Base country: Indo Hours per month (average): 60ish... But could be anywhere from 30-100+ Monthly salary (before tax): USD$1285 Monthly salary (after tax): USD$1285 Additional payments: USD$2500 for initial training bond, USD$1500 for upgrade bo... Oh, wait. You meant payments to me, Didn't you? Ummm, USD$20/day if based in Papua (aka "danger money") Any benefits?: Easy access to Dengue, Malaria and Hepatitis A thru F, low cost (and standard) of living, even easier access to easy girls, maids who do your laundry, clean your room and cook you dinner, being treated like a demigod by local population and apparently my family can fly for half price. Happy (yes/no): Despite all the crap you have to put up with (mostly govt dept related), generally yes, but only because it's still fun! Hope you all feel a little better about life now :ok: |
Rank: SFO
Current a/c type: A320 Years in service: 4,5 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): orange LCC Base country: mainland europe Hours per month (average): 80 Monthly salary (before tax):€7000 Monthly salary (after tax): €5700 Additional payments: 5% loyalty bonus and performance shares Any benefits?: LoL, pension, sickpay, ULV in winter upon request and depending on availability, stafftravel, commute options. Happy (yes/no): yes, I'm in Europe, I've a permanent contract, company is doing good, command is approaching and soon a transfer to my preferred base. |
Rank: FO
Current a/c type: B737NG Years in service: 2 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): LCC, not the orange one Base country: Europe Hours per month (average): 75 Monthly salary (before tax): €5200 Monthly salary (after tax): €4000 Additional payments: pension Any benefits?: LOL (not loss of licence) Happy (yes/no): Yes, based in my hometown with a permanent contract. |
Rank: Capt
Current a/c type: Dash 8 Years in service: 3 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Protecting the borders Base country: Australia Hours per month (average): 70-80 Monthly salary (before tax): A$12,000 Monthly salary (after tax): A$8,000 Any benefits?: Fun flying, occasionally. Naps. Happy (yes/no): Yes, however to progress the career to jets anywhere is going to be a big pay cut! ;) |
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Rank: Capt
Current a/c type:A-320 Years in service: 15 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): Flag carrier Base country: south europe Hours per month (average): 60-80 Monthly salary (before tax):€ 12,000 Monthly salary (after tax): € 5,500 Any benefits?: Loss of licence, pension,13th month, per diems,medical insurance, life insurance, medical and uniforms Happy (yes/no): Yes,home country,nice weather,great food,reasonable living cost,only knock off the excessive tax we pay. |
Rank: Capt
Current a/c type:A-320 Years in service: 4 Type of airline (name if you’re brave!): LAN Base country: South America Hours per month (average): 50-60 Monthly salary (before tax):U$D 8,600 / 8,042 EUR Monthly salary (after tax): U$D 5,750 / 5,377 EUR Any benefits?: Loss of licence, pension,13th month, per diems,medical insurance, life insurance, medical and uniforms Happy (yes/no): Yes,home country, the only problem is our government and our country is having a lot of security problems. |
Crunch the numbers with www.numbeo.com to calculate equivalency..
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The problem with this kind of questionnaire is the misleading fact that it only shows the conditions of people employed, some of them for many years. What you would get if you start now is probably worse, you can subtract about 5000 Sterling from the above number e.g. I can imagine that many young pilots in their 20's working for some p.o.s. P2T/P4F airline will still indicate that they're happy, but it does not accurately reflect the true state of the industry. |
Maan this thread is actually working very good, let's leave it as it is.
It says years in service, enough. Age/what you would get now etc are irrelevant, and what you'd get now is extremely changable with aviation cycles (pretty sure they weren't offering 250.000 dollars in China 15 years ago..). Good (fixed) roster pattern possibly with no red eyes flying, lots of leave, as much NET money as possible, good base and aircraft is what counts. And we have all these info. All the rest is talk. |
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