Monarch in turbulence
 

Tubby perhaps it would have better if mon had gone bust for the likes of you. One suspects the ground staff have Also lost their jobs and had pay cuts. It's also hard for them to get other jobs perhaps as easily as the pilots. One thing for sure is they will all be looking over their shoulder for the grim reaper coming again whilst you ll just moan about your rubbish roster! ....

Monarch in turbulence
 

A friend of mine works in Monarch HQ in a middle management role and quite frankly he's depressed. He's constantly arguing with his wife and being short with his kids. All because he's terrified he's going to lose his job. I don't think it's a fun place for anyone right now.

Mister Angry, I think that you have misconstrued my various posts. I am not sure why you think that I would have been better off if the company had failed.
I would imagine that a ground person at Luton ,and I know a lot of them personally, could have walked straight into another job with the orange brigade for probably the same salary. Some members of the crew training and rostering departments have done just this. I doubt that many members of the ground staff have lost 45% of their salary and almost half of their expected pension, as I have.

My roster has not really changed over the last few years. It is produced by a poor quality computer programme and is subject to constant change, unlike the fixed patterns you probably enjoy.

As part of the restructure the airline has abandoned ad-hoc flying because nobody in the back offices of Luton can get it right.The airline has only been doing them for 47 years but we still cock them up and lose money.

For example our Flight Ops Technical group only work office hours and refuse to answer the phone during lunchtimes. It doesn't matter that you are stuck down route needing some abnormal performance figures due to an unserviceability. Please call, back at 2pm is the standard response.
These sort of inefficiencies need correcting.

At the last count almost 25% of the flightdeck contingent have left the business and the remainder have taken draconian pay cuts. I do not believe that the ground staff in Luton have had to face such life changing changes in circumstance.

I am not sure why I am writing this to justify my position but Mister Angry if you can offer me a well paying pilot job in the UK with good terms and conditions I will take you up on your offer. In the meantime please give all the unfortunate employees some empathy as the situation they face has been foisted upon them by some very unscrupulous former owners who have sallied off in their super yacht having royally :mad: their employees.

Don't you guys have the toughbook? Us Orange chaps are using them more and more, e.g. Mel items are selected and gives us instant performance figures for any unserviceability. How can you call for figures? Do they fax or email them to someone so you have a hard copy before you depart? After 2pm of course!!

Don't you guys have the toughbook? Us Orange chaps are using them more and more, e.g. Mel items are selected and gives us instant performance figures for any unserviceability. How can you call for figures? Do they fax or email them to someone so you have a hard copy before you depart? After 2pm of course!!



Just imagine a 1960s flightdeck where paper is king. The airline wasted £2m on an efb based upon mobile phone technology for updating. Despite being told by numerous external sources that it would never work, the major project manager persevered, often changing items of the hardware himself without any technical qualifications. We are now left with some very expensive ipad sized chart holders we afix the paper charts to.
We still get a paper loadsheet and consult a paper manual for performance figures. If you need any abnormal performance you make a call on the usually absent or dead aircraft mobile phone, hoping that it is during office hours and somebody will answer the phone.

Well said Tubby. The truth is often swept under the carpet, nice to see it getting aired. Hope the new owners are taking note. (They need to know)

Gorter, as indicated above middle management are now probably accountable for failures within their depts. Previously they were not, EFB project being the prime example. I truly hope your mate is safe in their position.

Tubby - the intent of my posting was to ask you to give some empathy to the staff that provide the crap rosters....

I've had more airline failures and the like over the years, when this happens you tend to look at airline life slightly differently e.g. job security means a lot so i'll work as hard as I can mostly free of charge to keep it going.

Sadly I have to admit also that you may be correct because a x % pay reduction xxx pilots is a lotta money whereas a x % pay cut for a few Office Staff = not a lot.
I therefore refer to my other thoughts that in any other job in terms of pay a F/O would be a Middle Manager, a Captain a Director, and a TRE the owner!

I sincerely hope that MON pull through and that T+C are restored for all Staff or as MON prob hope get some cheaper ones in at the bottom of scale

Lots of cut and paste from this thread on the Monarch Complaints Facebook page.

Just for your info guys, the ad was live yesterday for at least 6 hours then got pulled down again or the application system is down. At the same time no email updates for those still in the hold for interviews. Something brewing, though not sure what and when (not that I'm interested anymore).

Still there....

https://oracle.monarch.co.uk/OA_HTML...Qfk3vdKqtv-OPQ..

Guardian
 

So where exactly are these type rated guys gonna come from now?

Cyprus Airways?

and Wizzzzzzz.

I am sure they will get thousands of applications, what a crazy profession this is!

The pilots in the Guardian article have been made promises that were not kept.

However, for Monarch's pension fund to be paying out £70k/year pensions from age 55 is completely unaffordable for an airline today.

Don't forget this is real money, that the individual pilot has paid in over his / her working life, out of earned income. It is a savings scheme, and if it was left on deposit in a bank/building society and not returned in full, there would be an investigation and public uproar.
It is not like the public sector pension paid out of tax payers contributions (ponzi scheme), but earnt money put away and unable to draw on until reaching the plan/retirement age.

I hear through the grapevine that there is a four year right of return to those who left under the voluntary program, with no loss of seniority.

If that's true, who in their right mind would consider Monarch anything other than another stepping stone right now. In four years time you might have all these pilots jumping back in, and above you.

I genuinely wish you all well in there, a lot of my friends are trying to make a go of it

Love Joy, you are correct about the right to return and speaking as someone staying at Monarch it makes me sick.

You talk about Monarch being a "Steping stone", can I ask you to what? Other than BA what is better? I have looked and can't find anything!