BA require us to make it in to work so if there's no jump seat available you get to work some other way. They don't care how we get there but since we are required to be within two hours of Heathrow there won't be much sympathy if you're late for report too often.

I lived more than 2 hours from my base. My employers made no requirements but as Professional pilot, who was to be the only other pilot on board, I felt that it was my DUTY to be fit for the flight. (I held a CPL and I/R with the type rating in Group 2.)


I stayed at a local hotel, prior to my flights, at my own expense. I was woken by the Manager who told me that my flight was cancelled... the aircraft had crashed.


This was Hermes G-AHDJ at Blackbushe. 7 of the 80 on board were killed. The Captain's Voyage report, which was recovered, mentioned Crew Fatigue.


A few months later Parliament brought in the first Mandatory FTL.

Can't tell you how many times the second JS has saved me grief. Either commuting to or from my domicile.

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Sorry to be pedantic but you would be pushed to get 80 people in a Percival Proctor. I think you might mean G-ALDJ which was a Hermes?

Why are jump seats placed in the flight deck anyway? I can see the need for one where a Check Airman could be seated but more than one is unnecessary.

As a wanabee, working as Ground Staff, I was denied the use of a jumpseat because the Captain declared that the seats were for crew only and in any case. it was where the crew placed their coats and bags ! (Blimey, I think he just didn't like me).

Later in my years, having made the transition to pilot, I worked for an airline that had an incident related to a senior member of management "insisting" on the use of a jumpseat. We were subsequently ruled that the jumpseats were no longer to be considered as an "extension to the passenger cabin". Moreover, after 9-11, my employer banned the use of these seats other than to Check Airmen or members of the Regulatory Authority conducting inspection flights. The ban was heavily enforced and staff were not even allowed to "request" the use of a jumpseat on full flights.

I get the overview from previous posts that the use of Flight Deck Jumpseats as a passenger seat appears widespread or is it just for company staff ?

In the specific case of one of the airlines in the group the OP is referring to it's just company staff, and even in that case there are restrictions and limitations.

I'm assuming he's removed the jumpseat by the coat closet. That thing is just a retractable bench with a bit of padding on the wall to act as a seat back.

Might as well remove the other one as well, just keep a few aircraft with the single jumpseat for line checks and the like.

JW411


Thank you... Of course it really was G-ALDJ. Can I blame my keyboard or proof-reading, only one might have a human error !


A later employer used to pay "dead-heading money" for crews who had completed their duty but would rather go home than await the next flight, perhaps in less than desirable accommodation, somewhere and eventually.


(His late Majesty had provided me with a shared tent, a brick kiln or a bed in Government House, for variety !)

This really ought to be said in a Yorkshire accent:

Shared tent! You were lucky.

So how does the *AA Flight Ops Inspector monitor/check the LTC who is checking a "standard" flight crew on an ordinary line flight..............?

Aaah, I get it, they don't bother any more. The all singing all dancing full motion hi-tech simulator will suffice.

ST 09
 

Well well, never mind Iberia, you are all guilty of allowing Williewonker to start his campaign against the pensioners aren't you sorry for your non action against such a barbaric cull of staff travel oldies, serves you right! We can now sit back and watch it all happen, and it will!