Space pig: please do not suggest that Ryanair could be a good place to work. Mol has proved that he is not a reasonable or fair employer and that exploitation is part of the business model. Leopards don't change their spots, they may become a little cunning though for a while.

Just my humble opinion.:rolleyes:

Harry, from what I understand the deal is bonded; how much for and for how long is unknown. Sim and ground school training more than likely conducted at East Midlands as this is where the level D sims are. They do use CAE in Amsterdam, but it is usually for cadet overflow. Expect to pay for your Hotac when training. Line training can be done anywhere across the network, this is rostered after the sim. The same Hotac scenario I'm affraid.

The deal will be per Storm McGinley. Contact them for rates. As a skipper expect 800-900 hours a year. Don't know what FOs are doing now, but presently it's a lot due to higher attrition. Things tend to die down more for FOs in the winter. Can't comment on what will happen later this year. If offered a permanent contract it will be per the base agreement. I believe this recruitment is base specific so when assigned a base you will be given the pay deal. I'd imagine a base will be assigned prior to training. This is unusual territory for Ryanair however it has been the case during previous DEP hiring.

UK base - maybe, but those within are seriously hoping this will not be the case. There are literally hundreds in both seats awaiting transfers and any parachuting of DEPs into UK bases with long waiting lists is going to cause tensions. My option only, so who knows?

Cheers Callsign Kilo.

Who would it cause tension with? In my experience that would surprise absolutely nobody in Ryanair. Last time I checked the basing system was at their mercy and there was no transparent list - seniority or otherwise. In my opinion if a DEP gave Ryanair an ultimatum of UK base or nothing they would give them the UK if supply and demand warrants it. Given the lack of union membership the company can do what they want.

If a cadet got the base you've been wishing for years they were most likely sent there against their will and everyone would benefit from a swap. If a DEP got the base of your choice as a result of an ultimatum made by them, I would consider that grossly unfair and unethical.

In my opinion the entire system of basing in your company is not transparent and consequently is grossly unfair. There is no tension now and in my experience no Ryanair pilot would challenge any DEP who managed to get or force his way into his desired base.

No, that's right. Everyone would sit back and remain happy. Yes, ultimately nothing gets done because, as you say, there is no union and no basing system. However, in the past, there were no jobs elsewhere. Now there is. So you're potentially robbing Peter to pay Paul. And Paul could be a further loser as DEP courses don't carry a 100% success rate. If your adding unrated pilots with no experience of FR ops, then the potential for issues increase. I did however admit that no one knows about UK bases being available or not, so your theories about ultimatums could prove correct. All in my opinion and you may be right, but honestly I think your just trying to stir the pot.

However, something to consider is that there is a big difference between having your base of choice and actually ever working there !

In all honesty though gents, I don't see the point of anyone with any real experience joining FR unless they get exactly the base they want. Chances are that if you have the experience they require, all the options current FR guys are bleeding away to are options for you as well. This might not be so easy for FR. Obviously it's 'unfair' for existing crew, but don't blame a DEP parachuting in. It's not their fault for making demands in a company that has no union and no seniority. Such is low cost.

Can someone tell me what is the pay for permanent contract as FO? Does it change with experience?

Basic
Sector
Duty
Roster
?

I will appreciate a straight answer from someone who knows.

DEP at Ryanair
 

Ryanair FO STN Permanent Contract- All figures in Pound Sterling.
Basic: £20,000 + £5000 subsidy
Sector Pay: £20 (approx) sbh.
Duty Pay: Hahahaha
Uniforms & ID's: pay for yourself
Car park: pay for yourself
Holiday pay 26days approx and pension is minimum...

How tight do you reckon they will be with the requirements I am rated etc and just a couple of 100 hours short.."....

wow, not interesting at all... glad I"ll be back in asia...
at least they pay my uniform, medical, sims and hotels.

If FR wants really to change, they should start by paying pilots uniforms !!

even Mcdonald gives you uniform... :rolleyes:

DEP at Ryanair
 

If you're rated... Why would you go there?!! It depends where you're coming from. I'd say if you're close they'd give you an interview at least.

thank you galwaypilot

I really need the information as ryanair is my only chance to go back to home country.

so is it then best to apply for a contract instead?

Stable check.
There are many different contracts around. Don't know the detail of the dep FO contract (would like to know) storm for cadets is 75 euro per block hour -4.50 sim cost per hour after 1500 hours in ryr.

And you think they'll base you where YOU want!

You obviously don't know many there already.

stable checked,

if you want to be based in your home country ryanair is the LAST place you should be applying.

Exactly.
A lot of people make a lot of the idea that at Ryanair you are home every night. Wrong. You are on the ground every night - it's a very different thing for many pilots.

has anyone heard anything from this bunch? :ooh: