Indeed.200 hr fo's cannot fly and the question is if they ever will as hand flying is not encouraged for the same reason,and the question is if the paying public should be exposed to an completely inexpercienced pilot learning to fly an airliner aircraft.

The american system is often critised but i believe they have the one of the most experienced pilots in the cockpit in the world.

And before all the loco 3000 hr captains (soon 2500 hr captains)start jumping up: yes you were a a 200 hr co too, but unlike the typerating you bought, experience is not for sale..nor is any of your 1500 hrs so called picus time of any real value.

The FAA has a point, 1500 hrs should be a minimum.a co-pilot should be an assistent not a student , the job is demanding enough as it is.

My personal opinion that is

And these 25000hr astronauts seem to be unable to stick to the topic of a simple thread :p

Yes, because in the last few months in the US, we haven't had:

A WN 737 written off in LGA.
A WN 737 landing at the wrong airport, very nearly being a hull loss.
A UPS A300 crash due to ineptitude on the instrument approach.
A US A320 bent (write-off) due to the pilots abhorring T/O after V1.

Seems like a great system. FAA training is a global joke.

In the US, pilots of boeings are experienced. This goes to show that experience does not equal safety.

I was a 200 hs fresh cpl too and to be honest I wasnt qualified to handle a RHS of a 737 at that time. Probably Now neither but thats a different story. And if I was a fresh cpl now with 200 hs and ant company offers me a 737 RHS I would take it without hesitate. Everyone here would probably take the jobi. This doesnt mean I am still qualified for the job.

Building experience with different jobs is a very good career path before RHS of a big jet.

Space, it's because the paying public is not aware of that.

As long they can fly cheap most people dont care. Not only in europe.

Experienced F/O - RYR Assessement
 

Hi, Does anybody have any information about the assessment day for the 'experienced F/O' selections by RYR at STN?

Thanks :)

I think the best info you could get would be to hope that you strike out and don't move further in that bull :mad: company!

Are you mental?

Last year the US mainline jet operators had the lowest rate of accidents per 100,000 hours in the world. This trend has been the case for every year for the last 20 years. FAA ratings are a joke ? :rolleyes: I don't think so. What is a joke is thinking passing a bunch of ATPL exams full of stupid arcane and utterly irrelevant questions but having no actual experience actually flying an airplane is a sensible system for selecting aircrew.

Personally I like the idea of flying on a US airline where the brand new new hire FO has more experience than the Captain of the European LOCO Boing/Airbus....

Am afraid I have to agree.

Back to FR?
 

Hi guys here's my situation. I left ryanair only a few months ago. Joined another airline who also operates 737's from northern UK. I was told the OCC and line training will take 4-6weeks. You'll be on half pay for that time until line checked. Oh and because you have a rating it's only 10 sectors. okay! Arrive in this happy low cost carrier... now minimum of 20 sectors, and six months later... still on half pay (1500 a month) waiting for the full pay this month. It took 5 months to do two weeks of ground school, 3 days of sims and and 20 sectors. So I wonder will FR take me back as the roster is rubbish it does not facilitate a commute. The pay once on full is better I'll agree. I did leave on good terms etc.

From the frying pan into the fire, I gather.

Re: Back to FR?
 

If you object to taking home 1500 for doing nothing over the winter, go back.
Why did you leave?

10Checks,

You need to scream that loud from the rafters. What a pile of %!@*#!$ rogues. The louder you scream then the more will hopefully not fall into that trap.

Overheads?
 

16024 Quote "If you object to taking home 1500 for doing nothing over the winter, go back."

Perhaps 1500 does not cover 10checks' expenses. Perhaps 10checks would rather earn more by working more and provide better for his family.

Sitting at home, doing nothing, with insufficient money is not a lot of fun.

Just suggesting.

Some of the best guys I have trained have had very few hours and some of the worst have had over 10k.

Logged hours doesn't mean everything, if it's preceded by poor quality training, lax operation and questionable operators it's dangerous to think hours will save you in a problem.

well I know in FR we had a month of earning nada... Which was one of the reasons I left. But 6months on 1500pm is just madness (9K in my hand so far and it's June!!!). If I had known I would have stayed. I feel the whole experience has left a very bad taste in my mouth and things were crap in FR but at least commuting was simple and I got to be pissed off around people who did a great job of cheering me up and seeing the positives in life. As I'm here and can't afford to commute- next stop- St John of Gods!! It's a choice over T&C's and better pay (once you get the bloody thing) over a steady commutable roster. I believe the saying 'you can't have your cake and eat it' comes nicely to play here!!:uhoh:

10checks,

sorry to be so blunt, but you didn't really do your homework did you ?


I have read enough Jet2 threads on here to know what to expect (and that was merely as a totally disinterested casual bystander with no intention whatsoever of working for them . . .well ALC if it was permanent might feature on my last-ditch back up plans)

Surely, if you intended to go there you could have learned so much more before making the move, I would imagine many before you had the same experience.

Always unwise to rush headlong out of a :mad: situation into one that turns out to be just as odious, but you failed to forecast it for lack of due diligence.

Silly Chap :=

Indeed.
And you shouldn't make, or regret a career decision based on a single winter of low pay, after everything you've gone through to get to this stage.
You will be better off from now on, and no more worrying about how you're going to get to Estonia for an early start on Monday.
As for being cheered up by your oppo, it always seemed to me that the only positive note was that he/she usually had a horror story that trumped mine.
Also remember the no pay at all till the line training started, and 20 sectors? Remind me how many you had to do at FR...
And edit: to make sense of any of that it's a reply to 10checks, not captplaystation.

News?
 

Hi Guys,

Just trying to hit the point again.. Has anyone heard anything since applying?

Not heard a pip. Think half of my company has applied and I don't think many if any have heard either.

DEP at Ryanair
 

Thanks 16024! Nicely put.. Much appreciate the response. As for capt play, thank you too. But the threads of which you speak of are mainly a few years old. Mainly! And for the rest I went on what I was told in the interview. Anyway listen the up side is I have a job with a wage... When many don't or are contractors. So it could be worse. I don't think going back to FR is the place to be.... Just needed a reality check!!

Agreed, having escaped from the "evil empire" I don't see any merit in going back. There is so much better available out there, but it doesn't seem you have found it ( just yet)

Stick with it & see how it goes & start making plans for a(nother) change before next Winter, but research the +'s & -'s a bit better this time around.

You have already made a positive first step, don't be in any doubt about that, nostalgia is a great thing, but you should never forget the dark side :suspect: of what you have left behind.

In my humble opinion :hmm: of course.

Anyone heard anything yet re recruitment?

Going back to an employer you chose to leave is seldom wise - they rarely change so much as to be worth a second chance, and if you were unhappy once, you'll be unhappier still second time around. The only appropriate time to go back, cap in hand, is if in desperation as a short-term solution to keep a roof over your head, but airlines recognise this is the case and that is why they only welcome pilots back when they too are desperate.

So direct hire avenue or through storm?

Hello

I heard that ryanair will recruit moroccan local pilots for it's bases in RAK and FEZ.
Anyone can confirm that?

Thank you

They will probably try to hire anyone with a licence to fill the holes of people leaving left right & centre, if there Moroccan then they will be happy to be based in the bases where VERY FEW people from europe want to be based.

Local contrats I guess would be offered which will be far below the EU Ryanair contracts which are well below what the job deserves and pays in other airlines.

Of course this is just my opinion and guess work based on nothing and is not to be taken as fact. :ok:

I hope you are right

I heard back in a couple of days......... Asked to send my cv to SM who then rang me back in about 30 mins. Asked a load of questions and now just waiting to hear back again........ That's were I am at, at the moment..... Hope this helps
:ok:

Ace

Your experience?

Overworked, Underpaid and..........
 

In the end, I suppose that Ryan get's what they want: Minimally qualified hour builders who need 'a little more' of this or that to become seriously attractive candidates for openings at the 'real' airlines. I suspect that Ryan is banking on a cluster of entry-qualified FOs who can literally give up one or two more years to complete building a package of interest to the Real Air Carriers- where one can begin building a stable career. For some, perhaps the very young, it might be reasonable. For most others, it may be a coin flip. I wonder how many hours an entry-level Ryan contracting FO can log in one or two years. I guess the pilot's personal success also depends upon citizenship, potential citizenship and of course, where s/he really wants to build that long term career. With Ryan error? Probably not!

Pin if you pm me I will let you know ;)

Hours to command...
 

Does anybody know what is the minimum experience to get a command upgrade at RYR?

I mean are they taking into consideration only hours on Ryanair aircraft, on B737, on jets, CS-25?

Until now mostly 'freshmen' were hired, so internal upgrades could be offered after not less than 3 years at the company I guess. But how about more experienced but still low/no hrs on B737?

ipilot86

I think its 2900TT 500hours on Ryanair aircraft 1500Jet and 1 winter in Ryanair

I am an ex FR skipper so think thats about right but obviously could be wrong.

10checks - you only have yourself to blame. Too much written about Jet2 and their methods in treating people.

no sponser
 

To put some balance I have to say the majority of people I know in Jet2 are fairly happy bunnies, yes there's the training hump, the main complaint i hear of is lack of roster stability and anyone from Ryanair used to 5/4 will find that a shock if commuting !!

I think if you live Midlands/North it one of the better deals, only deal around just now

Sorry should be Sponsor ......its late

Hi Guys
I would appreciate if any Captain joined with the 'Irish contract' where you would have to be taxed in Ireland.
I was offered a DEC position in the base of my choice, but I am very skeptical to leave my current job (UAE flag carrier).
If any one has any info on take home money, I would appreciate any information, please pm me.
All the best.

Hibernia, thanks - it's a rare thing that someone agrees with me! ;)

In seriousness, though,t here are captains there who do have a spine and will do what is right, not what is demanded. I get in a lot of trouble for it, but haven't been suspended or fired despite some threats to that effect. I'm not alone in that, either. There is an awful lot of pressure to do exactly what you're told, and if you use your judgement and do things differently, you will be made very uncomfortable. Not as uncomfortable, though, as you would if you had an incident because you did as commanded from on high. You sometimes need to remind yourself when you feel the pressure that they are just an employer, and even if they fire you for not toeing the line, that is better than losing your licence or having an accident. Of course, there are those who are more easily cowed, just like in any company.

I have to say that the standards of RYR pilots are generally high. There are exceptions, but the bulk of us do the right thing when needed. Where we a really stuck is on Tsand Cs, because of the legal shenanigans of pan EU bases impeding the efforts of unionisation. But that mustn't be confused with how the guys and gals operate.