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wiggy 21st January 2019 02:01


Originally Posted by louelle100 (Post 10365814)
What about the L3 VS people? They were all MPLs with frozen atpls?

That’s a question for someone from VS, possibly in a VS thread. As far as BA are concerned any non ATPL on longhaul fleets would have a restriction placed on their flying duties because the Ops manual states they can not operate as Acting Pilot-in-Command.

LlamaFarmer 21st January 2019 07:38

I guess as far as VS are concerned, you can't all be APIC.

VS MPL didn't work though, they're doing line training at EZY now and going back to VS after they have a couple years experience

cessnapete 21st January 2019 22:50


Originally Posted by LlamaFarmer (Post 10366084)
I guess as far as VS are concerned, you can't all be APIC.

VS MPL didn't work though, they're doing line training at EZY now and going back to VS after they have a couple years experience

An expensive mistake for VS perhaps! Recruiting MPL direct onto a LH fleet(A330) looks good to the Accountants, low salary pilots etc. But only a couple of route sectors/ landings a month with a Training Capt. surely won’t work, and ties up your Training staff for a long time. Good work if you can get it though on almost continuous Caribbean trips. Apparently none of the VS MPL recruits are checked out yet as P2 after two years or so. So transferred to EZY with VS paying the salaries.

4engines4longhaul 22nd January 2019 07:11

Not quite correct Cessnapete. Course 1 is out on the line, albeit after about 100 sectors of line training. Course 2-5 is at or off to Easy for a year or so which was probably the most sensible decision made in relation to VS’s dabble into the Cadet world.

Pulluptoga 22nd January 2019 09:53

An important info for people living abroad and thinking about applying for BA and commuting:

BA has recently published a guidance regarding Brexit. As a commuter not living in the UK, according to this guidance and a risk assessment done by BA, only EU nationals who live in the UK will keep their rights to work in the UK after March 29th in case there is no deal...

My advise would be to look elsewhere. Commuting is a pain, the british government is unstable, company is being annoying with commutes, conditions are like the braking action in Moscow in the middle of the winter: medium to poor!

By the way just to put things in perspective, AF pilots just got a 4.7% payrise on top of the 4% that have been given already to all employees at the end of last year, so basically a 8.7% payrise for our French legacy airline pilot colleagues!

wiggy 22nd January 2019 10:42


Originally Posted by Pulluptoga (Post 10367086)
An important info for people living abroad and thinking about applying for BA and commuting:

BA has recently published a guidance regarding Brexit. As a commuter not living in the UK, according to this guidance and a risk assessment done by BA, only EU nationals who live in the UK will keep their rights to work in the UK after March 29th in case there is no deal...

I’m not sure that is a “given” ..yet....but the situation is highly complex and from what I have seen and heard, e.g. via yammer I suspect the company are scratching around to provide a definitive answer....for info and background have a look at this:

https://www.freemovement.org.uk/free-movement-no-deal/

I certainly agree things are almost certainly about to get much more complicated for any EU27 nationals, as for your other points, yes, inclined to agree.




JulietSierra6 24th January 2019 12:02


Originally Posted by cBoxMungo (Post 10369338)
Hi all,

I've got a start date soon but I'm worried my IAA licence isn't going to be transferred to a CAA one in time. Does anyone have recent experience with this? Any estimate for how long the entire process took for you? Apparently the CAA have got over 2000 licences they're trying to convert before March 29th thanks to the B-word.

Apparently BA can send the CAA a 'request to expedite' email, has anyone tried this?

Is it absolutely required to have the CAA licence on day 1? Or is it possible to continue with training up to maybe the final sim (LST) check?

Any help appreciated. Feel free to PM.

The expedite request worked well for me, although this was a few years ago. I’m pretty sure as you said you would just need the licence in hand by the LST.

wiggy 24th January 2019 18:31


Originally Posted by TangoAlphad (Post 10369663)
This is a concern if I'm successful with the final stages.. current employer is forcing us all to the IAA away from the British License and if I'm successful I'm not sure on the time line or post brexit situation of getting my uk one back!

Standing by to be corrected but I thought U.K. government had said it would continue to recognise “EU licences”, certainly in the event of a negotiated Brexit.

pudoc 24th January 2019 19:26


Originally Posted by wiggy (Post 10369763)


Standing by to be corrected but I thought U.K. government had said it would continue to recognise “EU licences”, certainly in the event of a negotiated Brexit.

They have said that but some companies aren’t taking the risk. I don’t think it’s guaranteed yet and the CAA are still working on it. So I’ve been told anyway.

wiggy 24th January 2019 19:30


Originally Posted by pudoc (Post 10369809)


They have said that but some companies aren’t taking the risk. I don’t think it’s guaranteed yet and the CAA are still working on it. So I’ve been told anyway.

Understandable given the circumstances (whatever they turn out to be :confused:)

lansen 24th January 2019 22:23

Was invited to an assessment (777/787 DEP) and given the opportunity to schedule an appointment. When I however tried to book that assessment, no available dates were shown. In fact, the page is basically blank. Does anybody else experience this issue?

zerotohero 25th January 2019 09:57


Originally Posted by lansen (Post 10369964)
Was invited to an assessment (777/787 DEP) and given the opportunity to schedule an appointment. When I however tried to book that assessment, no available dates were shown. In fact, the page is basically blank. Does anybody else experience this issue?

i have the exact same issue. I thought it was a browser issue so I downloaded google chrome but apparently you just have to keep refreshing the screen at 9am for newly released slots a friend told me? Seems a bit poor to me so was thinking to phone and check.

pudoc 25th January 2019 10:13

It's completely normal, they usually email you once or twice a week around 9am saying "we've released new dates". When you get that e-mail they'll all be gone within hours so be quick.

papajulietpapa 26th January 2019 14:42

Hello there,

Anyone here doing the BA simulator assessment soon wanting to go in a sim with an instructor before to get ready ? So we can split the costs ?

PM me if interested.

Thanks a lot.

papajulietpapa 26th January 2019 22:41

Hey try again if you are going to do the simulator soon. Not sure yet which fleet I will apply for.

Nauti 27th January 2019 08:45


Originally Posted by lansen (Post 10369964)
Was invited to an assessment (777/787 DEP) and given the opportunity to schedule an appointment. When I however tried to book that assessment, no available dates were shown. In fact, the page is basically blank. Does anybody else experience this issue?

Out of interest, do you have hours on the 777/787? Thanks in advance and best of luck.

Nauti 27th January 2019 09:12


Originally Posted by The Foss (Post 10365719)

I have a frozen atpl and was offered 787 about two months ago if that helps.

I think it more depends on your experience, type etc, as I know another guy that was offered SH and was told they couldn’t consider him for long haul.

It could be that they unfreeze people during the training?

Hi and apologies for the questions out of the blue,

Did they offer you SH before LH? At what stage/how did you indicate that LH would be your preference? And which role did you initially apply for (DEP/A320 DEP/777/787 DEP etc)?

All the best and thanks in advance.

Reversethrustset 27th January 2019 09:45

Provided long haul and short haul is available your offer is based on your simulator performance.

Mansnothot 27th January 2019 10:24


Originally Posted by Reversethrustset (Post 10372267)
Provided long haul and short haul is available your offer is based on your simulator performance.

That is the official stance from BA. Although I would take that with a pinch of salt, it seems like they’ve just put that in place so people won’t moan about getting SH cause they can just say it’s due to performance. As always, they will just place you where they need you, if they happen to need to fill a lot of SH slots and you perform very well in the sim, you still might get offered a SH position.

Reversethrustset 27th January 2019 10:46

Several of my base colleagues, including myself were successful at the sim stage and their experiences along with mine is they got offered SH/LH based on how well they did. Of those that got SH they said "Yes, it could've gone alot better, not sure if I've passed" whereas those who got LH said the opposite. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just stating what happened in our instances.


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