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Why anyone would leave BA for Virgin I'll never know - frying pan, fire.
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Riskybis, I never said everything is rose tinted and perfect. Read my post again. And if you did go to virgin I know many guys there who are unhappy and looking at their options. Deteriorating Ts and Cs are but one of many reasons someone might choose to leave. Without asking we won't know their reasons. Maybe being based in Liverpool is suddenly more important than working for a blue or red legacy. But whatever, don't let that get in the way of a good BA bash.
MikeAlpha, good luck to you mate. After 10 years I couldn't do 5 earlies anymore. Hope it works out for you. |
Well it’s swings and roundabouts, I wasn’t happy and have taken the leap . I am now happy , was in the wrong company . Upset that I never received my 100 year badge ..... |
Originally Posted by speed freek
(Post 10364542)
MikeAlpha, good luck to you mate. After 10 years I couldn't do 5 earlies anymore. Hope it works out for you.
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It’s very sad that any UK airline has such a bad terms and conditions that people are looking to leave. You would have thought BA would have been dead man (women) shoes. I wonder how many are unhappy to the point they are considering leaving TCX or TUI. Surely BA must be wasting a lot of money each time someone leaves. |
MikeAlpha
Max FTL days were there in the summer but when you'd had too much you went fatigued and weren't bothered with ridiculous emails in response. After 2016 Balpa got significant alleviations at the planning stage to avoid max FTLs. I was there during the 'near walk out' and it was a horrendous summer. 17 was far better and from what I hear 18 was a similar story. I didn't do single days off, I didn't do 6 day blocks, when enough was enough I made the professional and legally correct decision to report fatigued. I wasn't interrogated about my commute, I wasn't told I had to bid for more days off, I wasn't told I shouldn't do things before work on lates. I wasn't told I was 'simply tired' and that it was 'hard to see what was fatiguing about my roster construction' You might find that Easy Pilots had those sort of questions when they first started FRMS - what it must be 15 years ago? probably when you were still at school? I'm sure Easy do look at commuting and BA are quiet correct in asking you - just look at Crew Members Responsibilities if not. BA have just started down the FRMS it was only a few years ago the normal comment was "there is no fatigue at BA" . So its early doors when you get what seem like daft questions when you come from Easy which has a mature FRMS (and it was only a few years ago they came under a lot of flack from BALPA about FRMS) |
Originally Posted by speed freek
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Maybe being based in Liverpool is suddenly more important than working for a blue or red legacy. But whatever, don't let that get in the way of a good BA bash.
Delusional Speed Freek |
Originally Posted by Mr Angry from Purley
(Post 10365017)
MikeAlpha
. You might find that Easy Pilots had those sort of questions when they first started FRMS - what it must be 15 years ago? probably when you were still at school? I'm sure Easy do look at commuting and BA are quiet correct in asking you - just look at Crew Members Responsibilities if not. BA have just started down the FRMS it was only a few years ago the normal comment was "there is no fatigue at BA" . So its early doors when you get what seem like daft questions when you come from Easy which has a mature FRMS (and it was only a few years ago they came under a lot of flack from BALPA about FRMS) Mr Angry, I am aware of crew members responsibilities. I have a short, driving commute. BA are being particularly invasive and trying to make commuters adhere to unpublished rules and rules which they will then break themselves. People are being contacted by management about their commute but with no actual adherence to disciplinary procedure- surely you can see why that is frustrating? Hence my point about BA being behind EJ wrt SH. I appreciate guys/girls/union at easy had to endure that attitude to fatigue but it doesn't mean that BA should plead ignorance. The foundations have been laid elsewhere, its no excuse to be 15 years behind. Not sure why school comment is relevant (or indeed accurate) :ok: |
Originally Posted by Up North Like
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How devalued has the term 'legacy' actually become? If legacy means working 6 days on and 1/2 days off then I'll take Liverpool! Or how about working 5/3/5/4 at a regional base with decent days out and manageable hours, but without the hat and tie pin of course.
Delusional Speed Freek 5453 was amazing. So amazing everyone goes part time and ends up FRV. I have even heard of FOs on the 75% contract staying part time because they prefer the reduced levels of work over fixed roster patterns. Delusional Up North Like |
Originally Posted by Up North Like
(Post 10365030)
How devalued has the term 'legacy' actually become? If legacy means working 6 days on and 1/2 days off then I'll take Liverpool! Or how about working 5/3/5/4 at a regional base with decent days out and manageable hours, but without the hat and tie pin of course.
Delusional Speed Freek |
I've been asked a question by a potential new joiner that I dont have the answer to:
Can you be considered for a long-haul position with a frozen licence? She says the job listing states the following "Preference for the longhaul fleets will be given to those currently flying a jet type with a MTOM of 25 tonnes or greater and holding an unfrozen ATPL (A)". But if there is a need on LH could she still possibly be considered? |
Originally Posted by kendrick47247
(Post 10365659)
I've been asked a question by a potential new joiner that I dont have the answer to:
Can you be considered for a long-haul position with a frozen licence? She says the job listing states the following "Preference for the longhaul fleets will be given to those currently flying a jet type with a MTOM of 25 tonnes or greater and holding an unfrozen ATPL (A)". But if there is a need on LH could she still possibly be considered? to be acting pilot in command on a 3 crew trip when the captain is on break. |
Originally Posted by back to Boeing
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as far as I can tell no. Because you need to ATPL to be acting pilot in command on a 3 crew trip when the captain is on break. |
Originally Posted by back to Boeing
(Post 10365670)
as far as I can tell no. Because you need to ATPL to be acting pilot in command on a 3 crew trip when the captain is on break. |
Originally Posted by kendrick47247
(Post 10365659)
I've been asked a question by a potential new joiner that I dont have the answer to:
Can you be considered for a long-haul position with a frozen licence? She says the job listing states the following "Preference for the longhaul fleets will be given to those currently flying a jet type with a MTOM of 25 tonnes or greater and holding an unfrozen ATPL (A)". But if there is a need on LH could she still possibly be considered? I think it more depends on your experience, type etc, as I know another guy that was offered SH and was told they couldn’t consider him for long haul. It could be that they unfreeze people during the training? |
People with frozen ATPLs have been offered LH positions, on the basis that they have the hours prior to joining the airline and then the LST completed during the TR to unfreeze the ATPL.
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TAM beat me to it ....I don’t want to do a cut and paste from the relevant source but I’ll offer this, which may or may not help.... Managed Path/DEPs can begin a conversion course with a CPL (A) only if they have the hours to upgrade to an ATPL(A). By the time they reach the final line check they must be able to present a full ATPL(A)... |
Thanks to Eddie, Foss, airmission, and wiggy, as I suspected, just couldn’t find the relevant reference! |
Originally Posted by back to Boeing
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as far as I can tell no. Because you need to ATPL to be acting pilot in command on a 3 crew trip when the captain is on break. |
I honestly don’t have an issue with anyone leaving BA. Crack on! Everyone has different situations and needs and if somewhere else ticks the boxes then go for it! BA is neither better or worse than Easy - it’s impossible to make that distinction for everyone because everyone wants something different. What I would say is that lots of people leaving is a good thing because the one thing management understand is a rise in training and recruitment costs and so that can only help improve t&c in the long term to promote retention. |
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