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8029848s 25th July 2018 17:47

It would take you 28 years in BA to break even with Easyjet in terms of total income based on time scale to command as it stands.

All depends on what you want from life / a job.

BA is not the answer for all.

EllanVannin 25th July 2018 18:48


Originally Posted by 8029848s (Post 10206022)
It would take you 28 years in BA to break even with Easyjet in terms of total income based on time scale to command as it stands.

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Absolute nonsense.

You can make all kinds of assumptions about things like time to command, time to long haul, whether you should include the roughly 1000 GBP/month downroute allowances BA pilots get paid that easyjet guys to not, the fact the BA total pension contribution is around 50% higher than easyjet, easyjet loyalty bonus, money earned per actual day at work etc. We could argue those things till we are bored to tears. Lies, damned lies and statistics (and all that). Frankly you can argue it both ways.

However, how on earth you came up with 28 years to break even takes some doing.


geardown1 27th July 2018 17:10

Response Time
 
Hey guys, does anyone know how long they take for any initial response, after the submitting CV part? I got the immediate email to say the application was in, but is there a standard response time?

Thanks!

RexBanner 27th July 2018 22:27

Not on PP34 you don’t.

8029848s 27th July 2018 22:52

Its not rocket science guys...use excel......2/3 years to a command in Easy Jet Ryanair, considerably longer in BA to achieve the four figures in BA which is actually on SH command below the others carriers and yes...bingo...28 years plus or minus.

Ok the pension in BA is slightly better but we are almost identical on BA SH in terms of hours / productivity than Easy Jet / Ryanair.

If you live in the regions, even Jet2 makes more sense unless you crave long haul...in which join Virgin and have 5 days rather than 1/2 off before your next flight in BA.

Trust me...at the present caps, and we are 400 pilots short, you are highly likely to be ill, fatigued, or divorced in BA if things continue as they are.

SinBin 27th July 2018 23:28

It’s not that bad at BA, shall we steer the thread back to BA DEP recruitment as opposed an easy v ba v jet2 thread, there are other places for that. If it’s money you’re after go and fly in China. BA has a new CC, so things may or may not get interesting over the next few months. DEP recruitment opened up again, now requiring just 100 sectors with a TR which satisfies the ZFT requirement. This may or may not be less than 500 hours.

RexBanner 28th July 2018 08:31


Originally Posted by 8029848s (Post 10208095)
unless you crave long haul...in which join Virgin and have 5 days rather than 1/2 off before your next flight in BA.

Maybe on the 787 with all the engine issues at the moment. Certainly not true for the guys on the A330 and this is before all the issues with the 787 engines kicked off. Trip two days off, trip two days off was certainly true for the Airbus roster that I saw at VS. Plus do you really think it’s a secure place to work now Branson has sold it? Even when he owned it if you were bouncing around the bottom of the seniority list you were in dire peril whenever someone so much as sneezed on Wall St.


bex88 28th July 2018 13:43

I have been looking at the whole BA/EZY deal for a while. I ran the figures a few days ago and it takes 21 years at BA to match the basic at EZY including their loyalty bonus. (SH Captain on PP34) Allowances are roughly similar so forget that one. The difference is pension. BA offer me 16.5% (avc’s you see) where EZY offer you 7%. Essentially BA pay a lower basic but your pension or deferred pay is greater. If I were to change one thing about my position it would be to live closer to Heathrow. The commute is crap but honestly I can’t live around London. That leaves a commute. It’s only just over an hour but it’s a ball ache. Live near London I would take BA. Live near a regional airport I would take a LOCO with the hope of a base move one day. BA is a good company generally but if you are not fussed with LH or don’t like living out of a suit case or a Van in a truck stop then there are better options.

Saw that managed path has opened which is great news.

3Greens 28th July 2018 13:46

virgin has 750 hour annual limit, so there’s a slight advantage there. Absolute gold dust that kind of contract these day.

Barcli 28th July 2018 13:55

bex88 said "Saw that managed path has opened which is great news. "
Whats that then ?

wiggy 28th July 2018 14:16

It’s the specific pathway/scheme for those joining from the military (and yes I agree with bex...it is good news)...

https://careers.ba.com/military-scheme

zero/zero 28th July 2018 14:19


Originally Posted by 3Greens (Post 10208518)
virgin has 750 hour annual limit, so there’s a slight advantage there. Absolute gold dust that kind of contract these day.

And then last year they posted a loss in pretty favourable industry conditions. We’ll see how long the contract lasts

4engines4longhaul 28th July 2018 15:59

Well the 750 limit has been here for the 22 years I have been at Virgin, and management have stated they are quite happy with this arrangement

Dupre 29th July 2018 03:30

Bringing the thread back to BA DEP issues.....

I'd like to add a couple of links that might be useful for anyone going to a simulator assessment, if you have never seen a Lido chart before. (in the sim, I found the assessors to be really helpful, but I still found it useful to know where to look on the chart for critical things like MSA, DA/MDA etc).

Approach charts:

SIDs:

STARs:

zero/zero 29th July 2018 05:26

Has any in the latest recruitment drive been offered start dates or is it still long term swimmers?

RexBanner 29th July 2018 11:34

All I know is we need you guys on board ASAP. Caps ridiculously high for months now.

SinBin 29th July 2018 11:51

And the more we get, the better it becomes!

hunterboy 29th July 2018 12:44

Dupre...Many thanks for the links to the Lido videos. There was more tuition there than I received from BA on
the use of the Lido charts. I certainly learnt a thing or two.

captain.weird 29th July 2018 13:40


Originally Posted by zero/zero (Post 10208997)
Has any in the latest recruitment drive been offered start dates or is it still long term swimmers?

Are there a lot of swimmers now then?

pilotting 30th July 2018 11:03

Hi guys,
Been browsing the internet, but could not get any info on the BA rosters.
Can anyone tell how many days you can expect to be off on LH and SH per month?
I assume this will also differ in summer season and winter season?

Thanks!


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