Easyjet to close Madrid
 

:eek: what's going on in the orange world? 8 aircrafts and more than 300 staff to be moved.. Guess it will slow things in Easyland.. :sad:EasyJet Will Close Madrid Base as Profitability Suffers in Spain - Businessweek

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easyJet today announced that after a thorough review of its Madrid operations it proposes to cease basing crew and aircraft at Madrid from Winter 2012/13. easyJet intends to continue to serve Spain but to do so differently by moving its aircraft to other easyJet bases around its European network which will deliver higher returns for the airline.
The Madrid base is delivering returns below all of easyJet’s other bases. This is due to a combination of over capacity in the Spanish airline market, leading to low revenue per passenger, combined with high airport charges which have more than doubled in the last two years and will be subject to further above inflation increases in the coming years.
easyJet remains committed to Spain, including Madrid, and will continue to fly to and from Spain out of its bases across Europe. While easyJet proposes to reduce its capacity to and from Madrid by around 20% in the next financial year, the reduction to and from Spain will be 7%. After the proposed changes easyJet expects to carry over 12 million passengers to and from Spain next year.
70% of passengers on easyJet’s Spanish flights start their journey from other parts of Europe and demand from these passengers remains strong. Madrid based customers will also continue to benefit from easyJet’s services after the proposed transfer as easyJet will operate to Madrid from many of Europe’s most popular cities. easyJet operates over 200 aircraft across 23 bases in the UK and mainland Europe.
The airline is now reviewing a range of options for its eight Madrid based aircraft and 310 crew. All of easyJet’s pilots and cabin crew in Madrid will be offered a job in the airline’s other bases and easyJet hopes to retain as many of its people as possible. easyJet will discuss the proposal with the easyJet European Works Council and the local employee representatives as appropriate.
Any restructuring costs arising out of this proposal will be accounted for in the current financial year. The market price of jet fuel has fallen since easyJet’s outlook statement set out in its Half Year Results statement of 9 May 2012. Assuming the current fuel price environment continues for the remainder of the year, the benefit from lower fuel prices should fully offset any restructuring costs. Consequently management expectations for profit before tax for the financial year ending 30 September 2012 remain unchanged.
easyJet expects its capacity to increase by around 5% in the year ending September 2012, compared to 2011, and to continue to grow in the next financial year. easyJet's strategy of low fares and our focus on making it easy for our customers, aligned with tight cost management and strictly managed allocation of capital, ensures that easyJet is well positioned to deliver good results for shareholders.

Sounds like prudent asset reallocation to me. Too bad for the pilots - Madrid is a fantastic place to be - great food, nightlife and beautiful women! :ok:

So, if charges are so high there, what of the blue & yellow brigade. . . . .?

Will madrid guys remain under spanish working contract or will they be offered a sh1t portugese or english contract??:oh::oh:
They might loose 35% income as well as their house and family in Spain.

No doubt MOL will find a solution to offer a madrid base to those people willing to pay for a B737-800 type rating with a crap contract.

No draft onto LIS contract. All employees will be offered jobs elsewhere.

Nobody in EZY is stupid enough to want to go to FR.

Stupid enough to commute on a 5453 roster with loss of salary, pension, etc.

BTW, do they do nice paella and cerbesa in liverpool or stansted?:)

Madrid was a very good deal, especially for the UK expats, that got even better after the Euro strengthened.

A vast leave quota that no ther base got and a mysterious "performance bonus" that no other base received.

Dortmund was too good to be true.

East Mids was too good to be true.

and now Madrid has become too good to be true.

Sad to see it go for the crews and good luck to my former mates and colleagues

Wonder if they'll have to re-join the company on a flexi-crew basis ;) - just kidding..!!

I'm sure the crews of MAD are all finding your light hearted jovial comments most amusing. :mad:

English food :yuk:


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craggenmore - from your comments you obviously have no idea how and why our contract was structured the way it was, so butt out!

Iver, I've been in Madrid for 4 years, Nightlife ok, Food crap, women average, ATC USLESS, OPERATIONS USELESS, Long taxi, slow spanish striking aircraft, holds, slots - continuous sub standard service in what they all believe is a world beater of an airport.....Madrid airport is so inefficient it's no wonder easy want to leave!

VJW,

I guess one's perspective is relative.... If you lived where I live and you worked my flying job, sunny Madrid would be a big improvement. :eek: Every time I have visited Madrid I have enjoyed it - but I guess visiting is different than actually living there.

Hope you are able to find another pilot base that works better for you.

Surprised?
 

I'm afraid to say that I do not consider this a surprise.

Spain is in a hole, almost a death spiral if the Bond market is correct.

Unemployment is rampant, debt high and wealth diminishing.

easyJet pilots have been quick in the past to point out just how good a deal they are on at MAD.

The race to the bottom is on, and easyJet are contenders unfortunately.

I feel genuinely sorry for those displaced staff, but this is not really a surprise IMHO. The facts are: the cost base is too high for the customer base.

No doubt, easyJet will re-enter MAD with based aircraft and crews in a while. But, I'm certain the contracts will be much more like the LIS base contracts, as opposed to the current generosity of the MAD contracts. This would rebalance their ability to compete in the MAD market.

All this talk of contracts is very interesting but the real nail in the coffin for easy is airport charges at MAD and the countries economy.

ezydriver,

You are absolutely correct in that the main problem is, of course, the Spanish economy.

My observation is that in years to come, I imagine that easyJet may return to MAD. In those circumstances, I suspect they will be less generous towards the staff.

I hope everyone who is affected is, at the very least, ensured ongoing easyJet employment elsewhere within the network - I am optimistic that they will be.

I lived in Madrid for two very happy years. That was during the boom, and it was a fabulous place to live, the only downsides being the noise, traffic and pollution, but probably no worse than many other big cities, and the public transport was excellent and cheap, so were the taxis.

The boom is over, Spain is now bust and heading for the abyss. It's also awash with illegal immigrants although I suspect they will move on to greener pastures.

Very sad - socialism and the EU have ruined a great country.

Socialism and EU ruined the country?...
Did someone force you to come to EU mate?
........:D

VJW,
Food crap in MAD? But where did you eat? At McDonald's?

I wouldn't say the food is crap in Madrid because you can get excellent food there, but in general the further one gets from Madrid, the better the food is and Castillian fare is pretty bland. Fortunately Madrid is full of restaurants offering regional Spanish food and South American type steakhouses.

Madrid is a fantastic city. Always found the nightlife and food to be of a high standard, always enjoyed going there.

Barajas is an operational nightmare and depicts Spain's situation. Sh1t!

I will add that I feel for my EZY colleagues. EMA doesn't seem all that long ago.

MAD is extremely efficient. That is if you operate from T4. Taxi routes are short, no matter whether departing or landing north or south. MAD is decades ahead of LHR, AMS and JFK, to name a few.

Madrid has the best public transport system in the world and the food, entertainment and shopping is as good as it gets anywhere. Of course, all this is only my opinion.

If you find MAD efficient, that obviously shows that you haven't seen many airports.
It is, in my opinion, the worst airport to fly to. Not only that ATC is incompetent but they will also show you that they don't give a s**t and that controlling efficiently the traffic comes far after the will to create chaos.
Combine incompetence and adverse attitude and no doubt that a major bug is coming.
At an operational point of view, MAD is definitely the worst place to be.

Feel free to have an opinion. But if you think MAD is the worst, you have obviously not been to many airports either. Big airports scare you? Feel lost there? Stick to the regional ones, where you feel safe.

MAD doesn't even come close to touching AMS or CDG. Even FCO is better!

First of all when someone came up with the word inefficient they must have had MAD arrival ATC in mind. They don't have a clue what they are doing, although from your Spanish perspective it might be completely clear that they are just trying to put any Iberia they can find in front. They don't know what the definition is of EAT. Are unable to give EAT's and when you finally get an EAT they just vector people around for no reason for another 30 minutes beyond EAT.
And if you follow their instructions to the letter you end up going around because your too close, or they waste about 5 nm of spacing.

Secondly, MAD ground control have no idea what their airport even looks like. Countless mistakes while giving pushback clearances.

Thirdly, the shops in MAD are laughable compared to AMS.

Madrid decades ahead of LHR is the biggest load of bull I've ever read on prune.

Get some facts and come back with that comment. I'd guess LHR does 30% more traffic with 50% less runways. I'd also guess Madrid with 4 runways only does about 20% more the LGW with 1 runway. Not to mention, london has LGW, LTN, STN, and LCY to deal with, so please don't say Madrid is decades ahead of anyone.

This is getting somewhat off topic, but..

[QUOTE]MAD is extremely efficient/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]MAD is decades ahead of LHR, AMS and JFK, to name a few. /QUOTE]

is absolutely hilarious. MAD is by far the worst airport in Europe. If it had anywhere near the traffic levels of the three airports you've mentioned above, there would be complete meltdown and an unacceptable safety risk. Some would argue MAD with its current traffic levels represents an unacceptable risk. I've operated in and out of every major european hub and it is a complete nightmare, with the worst standard of ATC you will find anywhere, administered by the most highly paid ATCOs you will find anywhere, which I think neatly sums up Spain's predicament.

However, a lovely city, and I know a fair few ex ezy colleagues who were very happy there, I wish them all the best. At least from what I understand, the company are attempting to treat them properly on this occasion and avoiding the appalling treatment handed out to DTM and EMA crews in the recent past. Still a very difficult time. :(

ezy MAD to close, just the beginning....
 

MAD ATC are not obliged to give EATs when the delay is less than 20 minutes (see the Spanish AIP), no different to the London TMA is it :=. MAD Initial & Approach ATCO's (127.1 & 127.5) are as good as anywhere else in the EU, it's their colleagues before (and after) them that have given MAD such a bad reputation...but AENA know that, they did a Survey amongst the local pilot population a while ago. The results were never published, as far as I know.

As for easyJet closing the MAD base, well it's already been mentioned the decision has been forced on easyJet by AENA's massive increases in Airport charges, but do you know by how much? How about 11 euros per passenger in 2010 to over 28 euros per passenger in 2013 with annual increases of CPI + 5% up to 2016 :ugh:.
Madrid will look like a ghost town within the next 5 years....

Guys, those airport fees are bullsh1t. Easyjet is just closing MAD base but will continue to fly to MAD as well as to many other spanish airports. Easyjet is just closing down the MAD crew base in order to destroy forever the very well-paid spanish contracts, that IS the main idea.

310 staff member will go to the UK with a much much worse salary.
No doubt easyJet will send people to MAD in nightstop like in NCE , FCO or TLS, a crappy airport hotel and a 2 stripes FO and young captain both in flexicrew contract will definitely save a lot of cash. ;)

This closure has been in the pipeline for quite a wihle. As Mrs Mc Call mentioned, EZY tried to improve things there, but for all of us who fly in and out of MAD, we have to admit this is an absolute pain, a !!!!ty waste of time on the taxiway, and we love to experience the obvious "sorry, you missed your slot" (a slot ? which slot ?? :confused:)

I much prefer working for a company that closes non profitable bases and who cares about their employees. Sure this is crap for people who enjoyed their lifestyle there, but at least they will be offered a job in one of the numerous other bases.

Don't forget the 8 aircraft will be sent to France (CDG), Italy (?), England (?) or Switzerland (BSL). Hopefully all the crew will find a good alternative solution to what is happening to them.

OK..... Lets address the points made here...BTW I am an easy Captain in Madrid ...

As far as easy pulling out of Madrid is concerned, anyone with even one eye here will tell you it was only a matter of time... The post made at the begining of this thread was spot on with the reasons for easy pulling out. If you live here you see how inefficient the country is. At every level in all aspects of life here, you can see mind blowing wastes of resources and money. To be really blunt, the last ten years has been like watching kids who have broken into a bank spending the money on sweets. Yes , they have built roads and houses etc, but drive around and you spend all your time avoiding accidents due to the mindless road planners who must have just left school constructing a road system that a chimp could have done better with. There are countless half built estates, or even just the roads for estates littered around the periphery of Madrid, built by greedy cowboys who were throwing them up with cheap european bank loans. The toxic debts from insane homeowners who took out massive loans (400-600,000 euros for a two bedroom box flat ) who were earning 25,000 euros a year and now cant pay, are only the tip of the iceberg. Private debt is the elephant in the cupboard, when that starts to surface, the counrty will go into melt down. If you live here you know about the amazing debts run up by local potato farmers who became mayors of their town and spent 160 million euros on follies like a water purification plant
for a town of 10,000 people, or the Arts centre for 100 million euros that never got finished and now lies empty.
Easy went to the government at the highest level and almost begged them to do something about the insane charges at Barajas or face this pull out. Unfortunately for everyone here, the Spanish mentality is that they are never wrong and that putting your head deeper into the sand will make the problem go away! You only have to listen to the idiots in the government trying to tell the rest of Europe that thay are not in trouble and that they are insulted that it is even suggested, to realise the game is up.

As regards Madrid airport... I'm sure the post about it being a world beater was posted by an IBERIA pilots granny, who believes the bull that her darling ,soon to be unemployed son, spins her. Anyone, even the plane spotters sat on the peri track, will tell you the truth. I dont need to repeat the observations already made, it's all true. That said, and controversially, the standard of ATC has improved immeasurably in the past six months. There are some pretty good people working there now, but its spoilt by the usless knobs that you still have there that could not get wet in a swimming pool. The ground situation is chaotic and you can spend 40 mins getting to the holding point due to not only incompetence, but bad design ( putting a holding point on a taxi way that everyone has to go past for another runway ).

As regards the closure of the base, this is very very sad. I'm not talking about the pilots so much here, but the cabin crew and office staff. Whilst it's true that the pilots have spent, in some cases, a lot of money moving here and have kids in schools etc, they will bounce back albeit worse off than before. We knew this was milk and honey and the sensible ones have been saving, not spending, for this day. However, I was in the meeting and went to work on the day of the announcement. The scences I witnessed amongst the local cabin crew were truly heart rending. For most of them, this was a good job amongst a world of unemployment that enabled them to not only live their lives but support family and friends less fortunate. They are devasted and face difficult decisions even with offers of jobs as they will not be in Spain. I have made good friends amongst them and am gutted for them.

I dont give a toss if some of what I've said offends, I've had a good time here and contributed significantly to the economy with my colleagues. Its due to the idiots in power in Spain, that now we are going. The effects will ripple out and Madrid will be all the worse for it.

Basic Service, good post. Sounds like one big mess.

Personally, I hate flying into Madrid.... I have only ever filed one MOR in 20 years and that was against their ATC. Things have since improved though.

I really feel sorry for those employed at the base, I wish them luck in the chaos which lies ahead...

Now then
 

Dear all.
I've been here before.
Trust me I'm a pilot.

Take a wild guess what will happen to the flexi crew across the network.
Flexi was only taken on for this kind of eventuality, now if anyone thinks that they will get enough hours to survive winter think again. Remember flexi contractors few years back and how they were dropped when the summer was over? Flexi crew, The Greatest Social Dumping Scheme EVER!
It's already been discussed about 5 weeks ago at one of management meetings, how many will be let off this winter ( from horses mouth ).
Mr WB ( the pilot hater) was really in his element ,did you know his wife is top management at Parc aviation?. Small wander there are so many parc flexis here, conflict of interst? Of course not!
Just why so few flexis apply elsware ( ie BA or Monarch) I will never know.

Now are we all in it together?
Have we taken everyone on board?
Another great CEO.

Those taking type rating courses from about April onwards this year were doing so aware that they were only going to be flying for the summer and weren't being kept on over winter.

"Those taking type rating courses from about April onwards this year were doing so aware that they were only going to be flying for the summer and weren't being kept on over winter"

And what will they do after?

As I said

The Greatest Social Dumping Scheme Ever.

What will the others do , you know the ones who are not "aware", when they get rostered for 20h or less over winter. I've seen it in the past.
The whole thing is rotten.
BALPA, what bunch of jokers.

Don't worry they've got the winter hours protection scheme, that barely covers any training loan repayments!!
The hours on flexi crew have been going down gradually for the last two years and I'd be surprised there is anyone who is not aware of how bad the winter can be given that most have just had a winter where some rosters have produced 1 standby for the month or a single 2 sector day.

If that's true, then who is stupid - or rich - enough to go for a "deal" like that?

It's like with private economy, you need to be responsible.

I do hope though, that the f/o's and flexi in MAD all will have the offer to go elsewhere in the network, and as I understood it they will.

Arr, but you forget they have all been drip fed the line......." getting an airbus rating and some hours with EZY opens the doors..........airlines like BA, Virgin, emirates will be falling over each other to employ you" And yes, they truly believe it. Just have a look around the schools to see all the naive 19 y.o.s who genuinely believe BA and the likes are going to go down and recruit them. :ugh:

The weak are 'easy' pray.....pun intended. No one ever forced them to sign on the dotted.

Basic Service-a brilliant post- feel sad sad for the CC and office staff
The worst is yet to come in Spain I fear-how it will affect the uk is anyones guess!
Hope you get a job soon elsewhere:)

There were no flexi crew in Madrid, it is only in the UK and Germany now due to the various unions.

As for the dreams of the schools.. yes, it's stupid to think BA is going to want you, but don't forget that only a few years ago BA DID go down to the school and recruit people directly for the finished crop, as they had done for a number of years.
Sadly, the said schools still sell the product on this basis, even though its ancient history in aviation terms.